Wednesday, November 18, 2009

Grizzlies 106, Clippers 91 Post-Game Three-Pointer

Posted by Chris Herrington on Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:56 PM

The Grizzlies won their second game in a row with a 15-point victory over the Los Angeles Clippers. What I saw at the Forum:

1. Bench Play: I wrote in my pre-game post that I would be interested to see how the team's three rookies faired tonight, and that getting solid contributions from DeMarre Carroll and/or Sam Young would be a key to victory. Well, all three rookies gave the team good minutes tonight.

Carroll had 10 points (4-6 shooting) and 5 rebounds in 20 minutes and made some of the energy plays that are key to his game: Stepping up to take a charge from a rumbling Craig Smith, following his own miss for an offensive rebound, finishing plays around the rim off setups from teammates.

Young played 12 minutes and was an efficient scorer with 6 points on 3-6 shooting. He missed a dunk off a terrific Marc Gasol feed, but made a Tim Duncan-esqe mid-range bank shot that I'm almost certain was intentional. After shooting an abysmal 5-24 over the previous four games, Young has gone 10-17 in this two-game win "streak." And I think that's far from an accidental correlation.

As for Thabeet, he came back from injury to give the team respectable back-up center minutes: 4 points (2-4 shooting) and 4 rebounds in 11 minutes with a nice weakside block on an Al Thornton drive. Thabeet's complete lack of fluidity on the offensive end is discouraging — he scored his first basket on an alleged baseline jump hook that was more like a flukish jump "push" and one offensive rebound that should have been a putback dunk came up dry as he was unable to gather himself to get back off the floor in time. But we all know now that we aren't judging Thabeet by typically #2 pick standards: He needs to become the next Joel Pryzbilla before he can start thinking about being a poor man's Mutombo. Thabeet's rookie season is about baby steps, and he took one tonight.

Overall, the Grizzlies got 31 points from a group of bench players who had averaged a collective 17.2 coming into tonight.

2. The Marc Gasol Appreciation Section: Marc Gasol had one of his best all-around games tonight with 16 points (7-8 shooting), 8 rebounds, 6 assists, and 2 blocks. In hitting his first seven shots — following his 8-8 performance against Minnesota — Gasol set a new franchise record with 15 consecutive made field goals, surpassing the immortal Tony Massenburg. Gasol's record might still be active if not for his last shot tonight — a desperate contested floater he had to throw up after getting the ball at the very end of the shot clock.

The assists total tonight is a good sign as it’s the one area of Gasol's game that's been down from his rookie year despite arguably being the team's most talented passer. Gasol's playmaking skills need to be exploited more by the team and his high assist total tonight was a result of much better all-around team basketball. Gasol also authored my favorite moment of the game: After Gasol's nifty feed set him up for a dunk late in the fourth quarter, Zach Randolph came down the floor and rather the typical knowing point and nod or hand slap, he and Gasol greeted each other with a firm handshake and a respectful little bow. It was cool.

Gasol will not be making an appearance in the NBA's all-star game this season, but shouldn't he at least be in the discussion? I would argue that Gasol is clearly among the Western Conference's five best centers so far this season. Look at the numbers (points/rebounds per game, blocks per game, field-goal percentage):

Marc Gasol — 15/11, 1.7, 56%
Nene — 14/9, 1.2, 61%
Chris Kaman — 22/9, 1.5, 54%
Andrew Bynum — 20/12, 1.8, 59%
Amare Stoudemire — 20/8, 0.9, 54%

Among these five players, Gasol is second in rebounds and blocks and third in field-goal percentage. The problem: Three of those players represent arguably the West's three best teams and the other (Kaman) is the leading scorer at his position. But Gasol is currently right in the mix with the conference's best centers.

3. No Clarity at the Point: Mike Conley started and newcomer Jamaal Tinsley made his debut, but the Griz' best point guard tonight was Marcus Williams, who gave the Grizzlies 9 points and 6 assists in 26 minutes while Conley and Tinsley combined for 1 point (0-6 shooting), 2 assists, and 7 fouls in a combined 22 minutes.

Coach Lionel Hollins was measured in his praise of Williams after the game, saying, "Marcus has been fine when he tries to run the team first and score second. When he tries to score first, he looks bad and we look bad." And I think that's about right. The point guard story tonight wasn't Williams playing well as much as the other options playing poorly. And match-ups were a factor: By my quick count, Conley played all but one minute against Baron Davis, whose size and strength has always been a tough match-up and who played really well early tonight. And all of Tinsley's minutes came against Davis. By contrast, more than half of Williams' minutes came against back-up Sebastian Telfair.

Still, Tinsley looked extremely rusty tonight (understandably so) and Conley was bad. When asked about his point guard rotation going forward in lieu of tonight's game, Hollins was dismissive of the suggestion that it would be a matter of feeling out all three players during the games, saying that Mike Conley was his starting point guard and that his limited minutes tonight were a function of foul trouble. There's something to that latter point, of course, as Conley finished with five fouls tonight and got two in the first quarter. But I don’t think Conley's quick hook in the fourth quarter tonight was purely a function of foul trouble: Conley re-entered the game at the 5:39 mark with the Grizzlies up 17. He got fouled on an explosive drive to the rim on his first possession (it does happen occasionally), but couldn't finish the lay-up and missed one of two free throws. A couple of possessions later, Conley tried to drive put turned the ball over to the Clippers' Craig Smith and fouled Smith to prevent the breakaway. Conley hit the bench and Williams returned. It was Conley's fifth foul, but at that point there were only four minutes left in the game.

The Jacob Riis Report: Ricky Davis loves FedExForum. Last season, Davis had his best game of the season in a wildly comical display here. Tonight, he had only his second double-digit performance of the season for the Clippers with 12 on 6-11 shooting, yapping all the time.

Deflections:

Heading into tonight's game, the Grizzlies had an abysmal +1.4 assist/turnover differential. Tonight it was +10 (23 to 13). The opponents had something to do with that, but there's no doubt that the Grizzlies played better team basketball tonight. "We're starting to work our way back to being a team again, to caring about each other, playing together," Hollins said afterward, referencing some type of player's meeting after the Houston game. "They decided among themselves to hold each other more accountable," an account that Marc Gasol confirmed after the game as well.

Rudy Gay scored all 21 of his points in the second half after going scoreless on 0-3 in the first half. But I thought it was about as solid of a scoreless half as I've seen Rudy play. Defensive lapses were more rare, he forced fewer questionable shots, and he seemed active and attentive all over the floor. It was a good all-around game for Rudy.

Tonight was probably the worst attendance I've ever seen at a regular-season Grizzlies game. The announced attendance was 10,012. The real attendance was probably half that (and that might be generous). Among the hundreds in the building: Owner Michael Heisley sitting courtside.

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Tinsley looked rusty, but I noticed that immediately on the defensive end he was bodied up on Baron Davis and almost grabbing him at times. Perhaps his job is to get Mike Conley over his apparent fear of touching people on defense.

Posted by sankara on November 19, 2009 at 6:27 AM | Report this comment

Perhaps the main reason Marc Gasol is dishing out slightly fewer assists is because Zach Randolph has proved to be an equally talented passer/distributor. (At least thus far this season.) Of course, this shows how off base the media were in labeling Randolph as a selfish "black hole" incapable or unwilling to share the basketball.

All in all, giving up a few assists from Gasol in exchange for Randolph's scoring, rebounding and passing abilities is definitely not a bad trade off, in my opinion. Heck, that's arguably the only smart move the Grizzlies brass made this past off season!

Posted by Strait Shooter on November 19, 2009 at 9:44 AM | Report this comment

Straight Shooter: I'm very pleased with Zach Randolph's play so far, but his assist ratio this season is currently the highest of his career and his shooting percentage is currently his highest since the 2002-2003 season.

For the media or anyone else to project a veteran player (Randolph is 28) to play at his long-established style and production levels is just being rationale. For people to project that player to perform differently or better at that stage of his career is being hopeful -- i.e., being a fan. So far the hopeful have been more correct, and that's great.

I did write rather extensively about environmental factors (Randolph's individual and team performance alongside Marcus Camby vs. alongside Eddy Curry in relation to projecting him alongside Marc Gasol, among others) that might make his fit in Memphis work out well. And so far that counterargument seems to be winning out.

Posted by Chris Herrington on November 19, 2009 at 10:36 AM | Report this comment

"Gasol will not be making an appearance in the NBA's all-star game this season, but shouldn't he at least be in the discussion?"

well I've been doin my part and voting for him almost everyday on my all-star ballot. I just feels this guy is the embodyment of what it means to be a Memphian. i.e. tough, and gritty, without the glory...unlike some other softer Gasol we've known before :)

Go Grizz!!

Posted by MisterT80 on November 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM | Report this comment

How much was the expulsion of Iverson responsible for the two game winning streak? Did his disrespect for the coaches (and I assume for some of his teammates also) put everyone in a funk? I think Hollins did his part by not talking to Iverson, but the guys seem more comfortable with one another than when Iverson was bullying his way around. And how about Randolph? I think he is responding to being treated respectfully by teammates and fans. Who wouldn't like that? I read that Monta Ellis and Anthony Randolph are unhappy Warriors? How about trading Rudy and OJ for them even up?

Posted by herschel on November 19, 2009 at 12:42 PM | Report this comment
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"He (Conley) got fouled on an explosive drive to the rim on his first possession (it does happen occasionally), but couldn't finish the lay-up..."

I'm absolutely not bagging on Conley here, but is there some way to determine his career shooting percentage on drives to the rim? I can't think of a player I've ever seen miss more point-blank layups, game after game, week after week, year after year, than Conley.

Maybe I convinced myself of this phenomenon at some point, and now I'm just seeing what I expect to see, but it's positively supernatural how many times his finger-rolls and lay-ins glance of the backboard or spin off the rim. It's uncanny to the point that he almost HAS to be doing something mechanically wrong (presumably fixable) to make it happen. Just me?

Posted by jtd on November 19, 2009 at 4:04 PM | Report this comment

ESPN's stat line had Marc with a steal as well. Don't shortchange my boy, Chris!

Posted by TennesseeDrew on November 19, 2009 at 4:20 PM | Report this comment

Chris, not to be argumentative, but it's not about being a "fan" of Zach Randolph. (Until this year, I've never been one of his fans. I enjoyed lustily booing Randolph!) It's more about believing what you see with your own eyes more than dry statistics, which can often be twisted or slanted to support conflicting viewpoints.

Over the years, based on his games against the Grizzlies, what I saw with my own eyes is that Randolph is a tremendous talent, regardless of any stats that could be used to argue that perhaps a dozen or more other power forwards in the NBA are more talented.

To his credit, Lionel Hollins has done a much better job than Randolph's previous two or three coaches of convincing Randolph to buy into the team concept and maximizing Randolph's God-given talents, at least thus far. But the talent should have been obvious to anyone, including sportswriters!...Statistics be damned!


Posted by Strait Shooter on November 19, 2009 at 4:53 PM | Report this comment

Straight Shooter: I meant fan of the team (and thus tending towards hopeful about the team's decisions), not fan of Randolph. And I don't think anyone ever questioned Randolph's talent, but a style of play (among other things) established over the course of several seasons that was marked by, among other things, highly questionable shot selection. (Including averaging two three-point attempts a game last season.) That was simply a reality to be acknowledged. Randolph has clearly come into this season with a different mindset. He's gone back to the way he played when he first broke out with Portland early in his career -- dropping the three (a conscious decision that I talked to him about after the Raptors game), hitting the boards, doing most of his damage in the paint. He's also meshed well with his new teammates, particularly Gasol. But I don't think it's fair to criticize those who raised questions about the acquisition because they (we) based analysis in large part on how he'd actually been playing the past few seasons.

JTD: 82games.com tracks those kinds of numbers. At some point, hopefully soon, I'll get around to a Conley post and look at that. But the short answer is that Conley's success rate on shots in the paint is not terrible but certainly below most of the estabished players you'd like to compare him to and, perhaps more troubling, hasn't improved over the course of his two-plus seasons.

Posted by Chris Herrington on November 19, 2009 at 6:53 PM | Report this comment

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