I'm visiting Memphis from the UK and I'd love to be able to cycle from midtown to downtown, is it safe? :)
If changing the names of these and other Memphis Parks reduces the current crime rate of helps race relations, I am all for it. But we all know that is not the case and was not the initial reason for those name changes. As a former Memphian, I would hope that current and future city leaders would be more interested in correcting the more pressing issues for it's citizens.
If the same crimes such as assault, rape, drug deals and even murder continue in parks with a new name, than shame on those city leaders that feel their duty is done. I would much prefer to be remembered as a leader that cleaned up Memphis' crimes, rather than renaming its parks.
I always wished my wife would, after a drink or two, stop referring to me as "the duties."
So does she, I would imagine.
Between the Judge and the primaries and their lawyers, I fail to see why this "created position" is necessary. Just do your jobs, that is why your getting paid. (one way or the other by us, btw)
Judge Mays has given extensions and been hopeful an amicable "resolution" could be reached. It was folly. Rule, fool, it will be appealed whatever you decide. We don't need to pay anyone else.
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You people still can't get around the fact that these college athletes are bringing money to the universities. The high priced coaches aren't scoring touchdowns or making last minute shots in basketball to win games. Why is any coach worth millions of dollars? Sports at the college is not all about coaching, it is about assembling the best talent. Mediocre coach, all star talent and the team still wins. Mediocre talent, great coach, team still loses. That is why college athletes should not be paid. They should, however, receive a stipend, the same amount regardless of school. This will keep the big-money institutions from having all of the best players.
It is akin to the various military ROTC programs in college. The stipend for those students is the same. Other than the official military academies, that keeps one school from loading up on all of the future generals and admirals. It works just fine.
As for the posts about interns, that game has also changed. Interns, most interns are used for collateral work, they are mostly gofers. That is the reason why courts have ruled that interns must be paid under certain circumstances. Here, college athletes are not interns, they are actually performing the duties of the job.
Let us take a closer look at the University of Memphis athletics? Why is Pastner considered one of the good young coaches? Is it his x and o's? No, it is his ability to recruit major talent. Why is his team ranked number 13 in the nation. Not because of his coaching or lack thereof, but, they are ranked on the quality of their athletes, mainly this season as having the best backcourt players in the nation on the same team. Only if they don't produce will the onus be on the coach.
The football team. Do we have a good coach? We honestly don't know. We don't know because this coach does not have top notch players. If his offensive and defensive lines are not strong enough to compete with the major colleges and his running backs and wide receivers are just a step slow and not as athletic, he will lose. Lou Saban would lose under the same circumstances also. Well, one would ask, why don't he recruit the very good players? He does, however, there is some perception out there among football players that there is something wrong with Memphis, in general. It is the same thing with Ole Miss. Maybe it is the history of the states and the cities that turn off the parents of high school athletes. But, until those perception are overcome, these teams will not rise to the elite level. Alabama, oh, it has a very good reputation as a southern school. Remember, it was Bear Bryant that played USC, the first time integrated teams played in the SEC. Georgia has a reputation too, it is the home of one of the most progressive cities in the south, Atlanta.
Bottom line, players should not be paid money by ability and or star power, all athletes should be paid a modest stipend.
May be one can be much good to join the main team of college athlete but it's always tough to get in front of scouts and coaches. A lot of frustration is ahead if anyone tries to sort it out himself. But some peoples are always there for them. Scoutme.com is one of them. Owner of this site is himself a victim of this. So it's rather better for anyone to get in touch with these very helping people and do the hard work in the right way. Because doing it hard only can't solve everything easily.
Is John Ford's residence the family funeral home, or is that his domicile? I still get that confused.
Interesting arguments. I just finished my thesis on this topic; 45 page research paper. One thing to consider is Wertheimer’s first and second argument. I don't want to spell out all the info but I do favor paying REVENUE-PRODUCING college athletes to play their sport. I enjoy reading all your thoughts. "Stand on the shoulders of giants"
Nice attempt at a backdoor move to support, Homersimpson, AP and the rest of that junta.
Let us first get the orientals out of the way. Orientals have a culture that, if followed, separates the family structure away from the American Norm. In the Oriental family, it is top down. The family is ruled by the father and mother, with no deviations. the rest of the family , elders have a special place of honor, usually living with their daughters and/or sons until death. There is no independent action of kids in oriental house holds. They also have their history. It goes back over 3,000 years. Their lives have always been frought with hard work and tenacity. Where we have used machines and technology, they have consistently used people, manual power instead. There was also a caste system, whereas, it didn't matter how hard you worked, you were still regulated to your position in life. Coming to America was to them a godsend. If you work hard and excel in America, one can go as high as their abilities will take them. this did not happen in their home countries. So, in America, they realized that hard work and excellence would carry the day and they take advantage of it. Americans, by and large, take this opportunity for granted.
Now to your underhanded question. You are dealing with trying to educate kids, minors. Those that don't look like you or share in your culture have to first have the trust of the teacher, regardless of how well accomplished he/she is. Without that trust and understanding of the differences of the cultures of their students, these students will not believe what the teacher says. So the onus is on the teacher to win the trust and respect of these kids and t find a way to reach them so that they will learn. This is the element that is missing when white teachers try to educate poor, socially depressed, minority students. It is not a shortcoming of the child, but, callous neglect buy the teacher, an attitude of, I really don't care, we will do it my way or to hell with it.
It is the callous, neglectful attitude of the white teachers that teach in suburbia that there is such a disparity in the scores of whites v blacks. Remember, most of the minority kids in suburbia have been going to schools there for many years, since the first grade. That is where these children should have been reached and trust instilled into them so that they would be receptive to their teachers.
This disparity has been going on since day one. There has never been a concerted effort by the suburban BOE, administrators and teachers t put extra effort and training into improving these student achievement. Not one extra dollar was spent to give the help that these children needed.
Viet, there is no excuse.
I' not a kettle or a pot or black.
And here we are back full circle. Back to some arbitrary ranking with no foundation or justification. I did this one already. Look it up.
I copied data from the SAME exact source that you did, but my numbers don't support your ideas! I just was able to pick the right numbers. The state does know about these numbers. This is why back in the 90s the larger school districts were required to hire black recruiters specifically to recruit black teachers. That little experiment failed also.
I also think you are a historical revisionist. I think you ALWAYS fail to note that MCS was also under a deseg order and it was the work of Maxine Smith to completely dismantle the BOE back in the early 70s. She was the major influence that drove Herrington to become the super.
You say even suburban teachers were remiss - even when the data proves that urban teachers are not doing their job despite having more money and more training. And it's been proven over and over again that SCS put more money in the classrooms than MCS ever did.
And then you go calling us purposefully neglectful even when the urban kids got more money, more resources, more everything. Doesn't that contradict your claim that the state has one requirement to provide every kid with the opportunity for education, not guarantee that every kid get educated? Make up your freaking mind. Oh that's right, you have the right to want it both ways.
Viavet, When I have students that continue to believe that heavier objects fall faster than lighter objects, I am addressing their misconceptions. Addressing misconceptions is a test for most teachers and it can frustrate even the most saintly of educators. We have to come up with multiple methods for destroying bad ideas that are internal to the student. My last attempt usually is when I make them stand on desks and drop objects of similar size but different weights until it sinks in. Sometimes kids are just too stubborn to see the conceptual issues and they just have to DO it.
But its not like OTP will ever actually put in that application and teach. He will never do it and see what teachers deal with on a daily basis. It much easier to cling to those misconceptions that validate his racial glasses. It's very much like a enabler. They need to have something wrong to function. I could teach a class of all AA males and they could all surpass the requirements for state and national testing and I would still suck because I'm a white teacher. OTP needs there to be racial disparity that is the fault of white teachers in order to justify his existence. If the responsibility fell on parents or any uncontrollable factor, that would mean that the white people did all they could and we all know we just can't have that.
Thank God he is one of the minorities and his way of thinking is going with the dinosaurs. Continued work with diversity will stomp that crap out entirely.
Hey Grove, I think a $2M dollar revolving cabinet that is publicly blamed and ridiculed on a regular basis qualifies as wasteful spending. Let's talk about the former MCS and laptops, or the food or the librarian at Melrose. And social promotion was not only real, it was policy. I know I'm seeing some difference in discipline, but I want to compare my observations to Truth's to see what is going on at other schools.
Viavet - the Asian cohorts are only present at a very small number of schools. Their numbers skyrocket above everything else. Although with the new policy to fund PSAT, you are now seeing more white kids in the National Merit Lists.
Could someone please tell me the word I am looking for. What would you call a student in any school ASD, private, urban, suburban that no matter what a teacher presents the person refuses to believe? Even if the teacher has the books and knowledge to teach and is good at teaching the student refuses to learn. Is that what is happening in the urban schools? Didn't someone here say that race is really not the factor but it is socio/economic. Is that the reason for blacks/whites/Mexican socio/economics students for having learning problems? If that is the case how do Oriental children stack up? With or without socio/economic problems. Do they have records of them in Tennessee?
There you go with a bunch of so called facts and figures. Don't you think the state would have used those figures of yours to try and mitigate the bottom line? That line is that the white teachers and the old BOE of the old SCS neglected to adequately teach it's minorities.
You try to call it socioeconomics, well, that be damned. As educators, it was up to them to make whatever adjustments, more spending on minority students, more basic tutoring, etc. If you are saying because of socioeconomics, the minority children needed more, then it was remiss of you not to give more, to give them what is needed. That in itself shows purposeful neglect. Hell, the educators and the BOE of the suburban schools knew of this disparity for years. Yet, year after year, you did not attempt to do anything to correct it. You, in the suburban cities either were great teachers or you were not or, even worse, you just didn't care.
@Grove, you come back with a bunch of never substantiated concerns about, wasteful spending, mismanagement, disciplinary problems; none of which has ever been documented as being true on the scale that you and others imply. Not one iota of proof and/or facts do you or anyone else give, only misguided perceptions that, naturally fit the thoughts that you wanted to foster about the Memphis Schools. The Memphis City Schools have been and are still rated as safe by the state. Problems, sure, there are problems; you will have problems in any diverse enterprise of over 100,000 minors. But, coming up to the level that you imply, it is just not there.
Bottom line, the Memphis Schools, nationally rank low, however, higher than other similar urban cities in the U. S. and for all of your crowing, the bottom line is that the state education system is near the bottom ranks, nationally. It is the same as the kettle calling the pot black.
I will admit MCS has fought an uphill battle. My issue isn't with MCS students or the scores of the students. My issue has always been with policy things, such as social promotion, discipline policies, and many other things that I didn't want for my children's schools.
Among those other issues I have is the wasted spending I feel is a part of any large district and the highly political nature of a large district school board.
This is what happens when you have some layman with no education or training try to read complex reports. The data that OTP quoted is the STATE averages, not the former SCS averages.
OTP claims that black teachers will be more effective with black students. This means that the overwhelming black teaching staff at the former MCS should have much better results with AA kids than the white teachers in the former SCS will have with AA students.
2012 SCS for AA Math grades 3-8
18.70 below 43.30 basic 26.50 proficient 11.50 advanced 38.00 passed
2012 MCS for AA Math grades 3-8
34.90 below 41.10 basic 17.70 proficient 6.30 advanced 24.00 passed
2012 State for AA Math grades 3-8
28.50 below 42.60 basic 21.00 proficient 7.90 advanced 28.90 passed
Well damn that doesn't look good. That is contrary to OTP's claim. Let's look at English Language Arts (ELA).
2012 for SCS for AA ELA 3-8
12.00 below 46.10 basic 33.70 proficient 8.20 advanced 41.90 passed
2012 for MCS for AA ELA 3-8
27.30 below 47.10 basic 21.30 proficient 4.30 advanced 25.60 passed
2012 for STATE for AA ELA 3-8
20.70 below 48.30 basic 25.70 proficient 5.30 advanced 31.00 passed
I think this data speaks for itself. The matching of colors has no bearing on achievement.
If you want to start talking gaps, go take a statistics class because when you have 90K out of 101K kids as AA, you really can't claim a gap. There is no statistical variation. In fact there is no variation in the economically disadvantaged or the Title I numbers for former MCS. The sad part is that you do have some diversity in the optional schools. So when you look at individual schools you can see the gaps, the same gaps that SCS struggles to overcome.
The gap exists all over this nation. No school district has found an answer to this problem. The only common denominator is home life. Poor kids that have a weak home life with little support don't do as well in school. That's the end of what we know.
Opportunity Lost: Race and Poverty in the Memphis City Schools By Marcus D. Pohlmann is one of the best dissertations I have read regarding former MCS. It was published as a book in 2008. This is an excerpt from his conclusion:
"In terms of input measures, a slight but consistent advantage foes to Memphis City Schools over the Shelby County Schools. They have a slightly better student teacher ratio, spend more per pupil, have teachers with more college training. Such trend lines and differentials suggest a city system that ought to be functioning at least as well as the county system, if not better. Output however is a far different story. City school students lag well behind county school students in key performance measures at all grade levels. Although, as indicated above, these output gaps may have more to do with the level of preparation low-income students may bring to school with them than anything the city schools are or are not doing once they arrive. The most obvious demographic differences between the city and county schools are race and class, although the above indicators suggest that output gaps may have more to so with the city schools getting poorer than with them getting blacker. Nevertheless, the end result is is an increasingly impoverished student body having poorer academic output measures than their wealthier suburban counterparts despite efforts to focus more academic resources on the schools in the poorer neighborhoods."
AP The newest stat I can find from DOE is that in 2006 only 33% of MCS teachers were white.
I think the comments at 6:01am and 9:53am from Homer basically says it all. It's not that had to comprehend. Thank you Homer.
What I do is hold my powder until i find out the facts.
Perferably in the form of links (that work) so others can verify them as well.
Then I post.
That is why Arlington Pop, and his cabal, constantly whips your butt.
And that is also why my cabal has so much credibility and you have so little.
Your post is hardly indicitive of anything much except a performance gap between white and African American students. Is the gap due to the race of the teachers or is it due to something else? So lets see if we can start to eliminate some variables.
Lets hear from Homer on the racial makeup of the teacher workforce in both systems in 2012 and then we can resume the conversation.
Because, If one system had a higher percentage of black educators, and yet the data shows that African American children performed worse under that system, instead of under the system with a larger percentage of white teachers, you have just been butt whipped again.
I need facts about those racial educator percentages, but I have an guess what the data will show.
That has been dispelled. In the study you won't read.'it also has been dispelled right here on this thread. It's just you. You won't read it and refuse to acknowledge the existence of something right in front of everyone here.
You can't get off that easy. But, then, you have never really dispelled the belief that black teachers can teach black students and get better results than whites.
If you insist that it is all socioeconomics, then why do you and have you continually bashed the Memphis Schools.
Well, I am no different than you or others. You use numbers to substantiate your cas without caveats, why can't I do the same?
Bottom line, these so called great white teachers are a dismal failure when it comes to teaching minority students. You don't accept excuses, neither will I.
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