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Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

I ask, because it appears that Bruce was responding to an incorrect figure used in Pop's most recent post.

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Posted by barf on 02/24/2017 at 1:27 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Quest- the only mention of President Clinton on this particular web page was in your post (and now mine), so I have to ask: what is your point?

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Posted by barf on 02/24/2017 at 1:23 PM

Re: “Start Seeing Trolleys (But Not Ride Them)

Just because I happen to need to know this kind of nerdy stuff for work:
A brand new, high quality, low boarding light rail "vehicle" (streetcar) will cost somewhere between $4.25 million and $5 million per "vehicle". By that standard, the 4 restored streetcars are a bargain.
However, as Love noted above, these would be new vehicles so initial maintenance costs would be low and spare parts easy to obtain. They would be able to accelerate more quickly, safely operate at greater average speeds and (depending on the model) would be capable of comfortably carrying around 150 passengers. They would also allow for shorter stops because the boarding process would include multiple entrances and would not involve stairs or the lengthy wheelchair lift process.

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Posted by barf on 02/24/2017 at 1:20 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Quest,

Beat me to it.

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Posted by Bric-a-Brac on 02/24/2017 at 1:19 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Bruce, in 1992, 45 million voted for Clinton. 59 million voted for someone else. That's a wider margin that you gave. Clinton was still president.

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Posted by Quest on 02/24/2017 at 12:45 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Posting from my phone, high atop the Pyramid, where I'm having a nice lunch. Facebook logs me in as Sylamore.

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Posted by sylamore on 02/24/2017 at 12:38 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

I haven't been inclined to jump on the Trump train, however, if we get to fuck our way to victory then I'm hopping aboard.

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Posted by Timeout4 on 02/24/2017 at 12:35 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Pop, 63 million voted for Trump. 74 million voted for someone else.

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Posted by sylamore on 02/24/2017 at 12:35 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Chris,

You agree with me that you are spewing bullshit? I must say that I didn't expect that. I really expected you to spew some other thing, like trying to explain how there is no truth and there are only versions of a narrative.

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Posted by Bric-a-Brac on 02/24/2017 at 12:19 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Bric-- See, that's how you respond when I agree with you? Bruce -- exactly! Grove-- I never said all Republicans/Conservatives are bigots. But all mainstream conservatism props up bigots, protects them, and builds them a lovely nest. The policies are bigot-friendly, and create bigot-informed laws to keep order. That's not opinion, friend. It's where you staked your claim. Whatcha gonna do?

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Posted by Chris Davis on 02/24/2017 at 11:42 AM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

And Sara Palin was not invited to CPAC this year. Now that's funny.

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Posted by lfine on 02/24/2017 at 11:34 AM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

@CL

Well, that could be.

I will plead guilty of having infected syntax. Comes with advanced age, I think.

I don't know about the significance of those polls, though.

What I see is that as my friends in the Democratic party have moved further and further to the left, and as as their rhetoric becomes more and more strident, inflammatory and accusatory (like Chris, for example) the more they tend to lose.

For evidence, the 1024 legislative seats lost in the last eight years, including 34 seats in the House and 12 in the Senate. I don't know off hand how many governorships. I can't imagine that happening to the Democrats 25 years ago.

And now they are on the verge of electing Keith Ellison as the face of their party.

I can only tell you Republicans are overjoyed at that prospect. We also hope Chuck Shumer, Maxine Waters and Elizabeth Warren keep their public attacks in full force as well.

I cannot imagine why the Democrats fail to acknowledge that 90 Million people voted for Trump and why they cannot seem to include that fact into their political decisions or to try to understand why it happened in the first place.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 02/24/2017 at 11:33 AM

Re: “Bike, Pedestrian Projects Win $2.2M in Grants

Toby - what is the status on the b-cycle bike share program? Many cities public transit systems partner with bike share programs.

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Posted by BP45 on 02/24/2017 at 11:28 AM
Posted by BruceVanWyngarden on 02/24/2017 at 11:20 AM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Bannon needs to work on his thigh grabbing skills if he wants his movement to go anywhere.

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Posted by ern on 02/24/2017 at 11:18 AM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

@Chris,

So all Republicans are bigots? Some are just quiet about it?

That's a new one to me. The one thing I do think the Left should be learning quickly though is that the name-calling play isn't working anymore. That's one lesson you could learn and learn quickly. People are tired of it, and they no longer cower or hide their views when it's used.

Being a fiscal conservative has NOTHING to do with bigotry. Wanting small government with control passed to the states for most fiscal issues is NOT bigotry. Wanting a strong military in order to maintain a dominant world position is NOT bigotry. Calling someone a bigot for having those views is a tired play, and it doesn't get the reaction that it used to get. It's like how people used to take political views from Hollywood actors seriously. It was a novelty for a while, but eventually most of us got over it and recognized that they had no more insight on the world than any other Average Joe.

Calling all conservatives bigots is no different than calling all Democrats lazy welfare queens that just want to live off the government dole. Do some of those exist in each party? Sure. Broad brush painting though doesn't tell the tale at all.

I saw that MTV video released not long back where they did New Years Resolutions for white people, telling us how we could do better next year. I was appalled. That type of stuff is exactly the type of stuff that will continue to alienate a large portion of traditional Dem voters.

Until the Dems figure out a way to get over the name-calling and actually try to put together a coherent message of opposition that attracts back those who have left them, they'll flounder for a little while...at least until the Republicans get themselves divided even worse than the Dems are currently.

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Posted by GroveReb84 on 02/24/2017 at 11:15 AM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Chris,

So, it's just deja voodoo? Really? Script flipping da rap it kinda like dat? That is, possibly the most racist thing I've ever heard.

But hey, the entire English Language is said to be "racist" so I suppose Spencer was just trying not to be racist when he changed to another language and called the press golem. But then, that would be cultural appropriation I suppose.

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Posted by Bric-a-Brac on 02/24/2017 at 11:07 AM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

APop,

You need to turn the sound down on the TV. Turn it down.

Even though greatest conservative poster ever.

The real polls show it.

Your syntax, infected.

Sad

Hard to type with enormous hands.

Lax on the use of "I"

Who elected Henny Youngman anyway?

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Posted by CL Mullins on 02/24/2017 at 10:56 AM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Bric: In that instance Obama was absolutely flipping the script and trolling in the classic vein. It was an unfortunate, if hilarious miscalculation. Pop: A lesson you and your folks don't seem to be learning -- Those are your projections and words. Nobody has to identify with any of them. Your poop: pick and fling as you see fit. Spencer chooses to identify with various synonyms for descriptors I've used -- except for "shit bag," as far as I know. Milos -- He said all that stuff. So did the fringe voice of Main Street all those years ago. They were all invited to some version of the mainstream party. (Well, until the public but mostly symbolic disinviting). I understand it must be frustrating for moderate Conservatives to see all these ugly, flagrant manifestations of the things moderate Conservatism has quietly propped up for years.

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Posted by Chris Davis on 02/24/2017 at 10:36 AM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

@Chris,

Speaking of playbooks...you've called 32 dive from the Left playbook with this article.

Bottom line, the Democrats are in this spot because they forgot the Middle America working class. They went too far left and became more of a social left party, ignoring the poor working class in Middle America.

The Dems have been losing seats in Congress since 2010, and they lost this Presidency for that same reason.

Are some Republicans bigots? Sure. Is Bannon a bigot? Absolutely. Are bigots the reason Hillary lost? Nope. That's because the Dems chose Hispanics over the working class. They chose social issues over fiscal issues.

It's the reason I've said that no party can sustain a run of power in this country. It's impossible to please all of your constituents. You'll eventually take some for granted when you're in power, and you'll lose them by ignoring them. The Dems took the working class for granted, and they paid for it in the Rust Belt.

Now, if it makes you feel better, the Republicans aren't any more stable than the Dems are. There is a large segment of traditional Republicans that don't agree with Trump's direction or much of his rhetoric. Some held their nose and picked Trump this go around in order to avoid Hillary. I know A LOT of these people. Some voted Third Party...(hand raised). If Trump continues down this path, he will lose those voters with time, as long as the Dems put up a viable option that's closer to center-left, especially if they find one that appeals to the working class.

The Republican Party can't be taken very far in Trump's direction, because those who get excited about his rhetoric are only one vocal segment of the party. Unless they can appease the rest of the party (they won't), they'll lose power back the other direction soon enough.

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Posted by GroveReb84 on 02/24/2017 at 10:34 AM

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