@ Steve Ross
I think either you may have misunderstood me, it wasn't an accusatory post. I apologize if I was cryptic, it happens, so I have been told. I think we are agreeing, I was more or less trying to reinforce that these issues are of incompetence not partisan. The ""right wing conspiracy?" comment wasn't specifically directed at you. Although, I can see how it may be read that way. Again my apologies.
As Scalia dissented,"State laws against bigamy, same-sex marriage, adult incest, prostitution, masturbation, adultery, fornication, bestiality, and obscenity are likewise sustainable only in light of Bowers' validation of laws based on moral choices. Every single one of these laws is called into question by today's decision."
Whoa, I didn't know masturbation was illegal, but frankly if you were allowed to allow it, wouldn't it tend to cut down on all those other untoward activities. How does it negatively impact your life? Are liberals oversexed? If you could outlaw only one of te above mentioned activities, which would it be? Which one keeps you up at night? Did the Founders engage in any of them? Just how sticky do you think the pages of Scalia's personal Constitution are anyway?
Also, read the rest of my comment...you seemed to have stopped at the first sentence....
Have I ever said anything about a "vast right wing conspiracy" regarding the "wrong ballots" issue?
No, I have not.
In FACT, at my press conference, and in everything I've written since...I have downplayed any partisan influence on the happenings of 2012.
So, I'm not sure what you're referencing...but just to make things clear...I HAVE NEVER THOUGHT THIS WAS A PARTISAN ISSUE...IT IS A COMPETENCE ISSUE.
The only partisan element is that the majority of the Election Commissioners are Republicans and have largely been apologists for the current administration of the Election Commission.
That's as far as it goes...
@ Steve Ross
"At first glance, the revelation that the SCEC is being investigated by the Feds would bring up the election problems that the past two August election cycles have experienced."
I am not trying to be a hard partisan, but can you tell me what possible advantage it would give to a Republican to screw up the primary of a 98% Democrat District? They sure as hell weren't going to win the seat. Did a candidate get screwed? Quite possibly, sure. Was it some "right wing conspiracy? HELL NO! It was incompetence and no one should make more out of it than it is. We have enough imagined distrust.
CL, no one is overreaching more into society than the current crop of nasty, "tolerant" liberals now infesting Washington. Obamacare, as one example, shows that leftist politics is the sad, hollow religion for many liberals and abortion is their sacrament; a non-negotiable sacrament of death they must try to make everyone pay for. Liberals tells us constantly what food we should eat, what light bulbs we can buy, what size drinks we can purchase, what insurance coverage levels we must buy, shall I continue? No one wants in your pants, by the way; you sound like such a happy, well-adjusted and kind person. The sad few who might can do so all they want, but you and they should not demand a societal stamp of approval. You're free to do what you want now. Guess it's ok for goverment to overreach as long as your side's in power, huh? A man of principle, you are.
Elaine, my guess is that a debate between you and Justice Scalia would be like some people view life: nasty, brutish and short. Brilliant insight on your part, by the way.
To all, no one gets to overturn the Constitution and make it what they want. Hate to break it to my liberal friends who are pleasant and kind (and some not so nice liberals I will not befriend), some things are bigger than YOU. History didn't start with your arrival on the planet. Conservatives generally are trying to "conserve" what you hate and seek to destroy.
Obama has said in his own words and in his own voice that he is troubled the Constitution is a document of negative rights instead of a document that sets forth what the government can and should do on your behalf (look it up). That is asinine. Yes, the Constitution is protecting us from Obama and the notion of unchecked government power, which Obama wants, and I thank God the founders wrote it that way.
"Just curious, but I still haven't seen any evidence that the mistakes made by the SCEC have had any kind of partisan flavor to them."
They really don't in the past, thus my post on the CA. As I said I have no clue of this new crap, Would anything surprise me? No. Look who we put in charge of our elections.
At first glance, the revelation that the SCEC is being investigated by the Feds would bring up the election problems that the past two August election cycles have experienced. But that doesn't mean that's what they're investigating.
Sure, Shelby Co. has the dubious distinction of having TWO elections overturned by judges from the same 2012 ballot for election irregularities...something that NEVER happens...so that may be a reason for the scrutiny...but there may also be other reasons.
Federal money is involved in the procurement of election equipment and the use of a preferred "no bid" vendor could have raised red flags (though no one in the County apparatus seems to have a problem with it).
Also, there's a little line in Bunker's resolution that could point to why this is happening:
"WHEREAS, complaints have been filed with the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and with the County's Human Resources Department against the SCEC;"
If "complains" - plural - have been filed with the Feds, its not unlikely the Feds would seek to investigate the Commission.
In the mean time, someone should investigate what happened to the complaints that were filed with the County's HR department to shine some light on the situation...
How were they resolved? Were they settled? (HINT)
Sorry, but my answer was not false. You seem to be confusing the 1970s for current events. All my info is verifiable thanks to the U.S. Census bureau.
Just curious, but I still haven't seen any evidence that the mistakes made by the SCEC have had any kind of partisan flavor to them.
Each thing I've seen noted has been pretty evenly screwed up across the board.
It seems more like general incompetence to me than partisan vote-rigging. If I'm wrong about that, someone show me what mistakes were made in a way to swing an election to Holden's favored party, the GOP.
The wrong ballot issue in the 2012 race certainly wasn't a partisan issue. Was the erroneously telling people they had voted in early voting incident isolated to certain areas of the county? Was it widespread? I can't remember.
I'm not excusing the mistakes, but unless there is evidence that partisan vote-rigging has been an issue, it's a little silly to suggest it.
I definitely want to be able to trust our election process, but I don't believe the screw ups in this county have been anything partisan related.
As wrote in 2012 on the CA:
They should all resign, but they should fire all the staffers first. Such incompetence in providing one of our most dearly held rights demands it.
After the dismal results of the 2010 elections the Democrats decided to not renominate, Myra Stiles and James Johnson for reappointment. Instead of experience they decided to go with George Monger, 22, a salesman at the time, who was scheduled to graduate from the University of Memphis this coming December, along with, Norma Lester, 68, who had a distinguished career in the Nursing profession. One has to ask if "on the job training" is really what the Shelby County Democratic legislators thought was appropriate for the Election Commission or whether these were political patronage positions.
Republican's aren't much if any better. Chairman Robert Myers has been there about 4 yrs. While Dee Nollner has about a year and a half and Steve Stamson (political patronage?) has about two.
It is disappointing that Mr. Myers, who has been described by Democrats as someone you can work with has to take the hit, but as Chairman that's where the buck stops.
Long time staffers have a longtime record of being a part of this incompetence. Jobs are hard to come by, but again their firing is a necessity.
Neither party's County Legislators have displayed good decision making, this isn't the Ambassadorship to Fiji, for God's sake. This actually matters. They should all be held accountable as well. We should all be watching who they nominate, if the Commissioners do the right thing and resign.
This is not a "new problem" and has been a non-partisan cluster %#$@ for way too long. I have no idea if anything criminal has happened, at this point nothing would surprise me.
What a coincidence that Bunker created that vote of no confidence only hours before the shit hit the fan re the FBI inquiry. He was tipped off and he's covering his own ass.
Perp walk this corrupt piece of shit in cuffs for all to see. The repub d'bags that knew about this conspiracy also.
This likely has to do with financial irregularities of some sort, or no show jobs for friends and relatives, ... something along those lines.
If it was anything to do with the actual elections, ... it sure would have been looked at before now.
Nothing went to the Supreme Court from the 2010 election contest, nor did the lower court give proper weight to the proof. As to the 'multiple sources' regarding this FBI investigation, media always has sources and the facts make this story true, D-Tenn. The FBI is at the Elec Comm - more power to 'em.
Without that paper trail for the touch screen voting machines, there was no way of really knowing about the election of 2010.
As far as going all the way to the state Supreme, we have seen other cases that went all the way to the state Supreme and then be struck down over in federal court. One shouldn't put too much weight on the state Supreme Court when it comes to voting issues.
Hopefully this investigation will be the beginning; find one rat and threaten to send him to federal prison for years and he/she will cry like a baby and expose everything if something has been and is still going on.
Unlike the gop, I believe in campaigning and giving it ones best shot, not rigging things to assure them that they will win.
D-tenn wouldn't happen to be Dee Nollner, would it? :)
Here's hoping this investigation is only the beginning.
People do like to pile on! The wise person would look for facts and there are no facts supporting this continued slander and gossip! Who are those “Multiple Sources”? Has the Flyer totally succumbed to gossip?
Even Jackson Baker has commented on the combined forces that lost Shelby for the Democrats in 2010. Their challenge went all the way to the TN Supreme Court with no finding of ill doings. People should be careful about what they say; the big man upstairs directs “do not bear false witness”.
Holden will be the "Fall Guy"...lose his job and that will close the case. We will never find out if elections/ (2010) was stolen. I do not have that much confidence in the FBI and our justice system. A forensic expert came to Memphis and in her findings were infact the 2010 election was tainted. More votes than voters, early poll book debacle and admitting over 5,000 votes were lost due to the fall guy a (black) democrat made the mistake. The public must know the republican players of the 2010 election starts from the hidden bottom players to the Judge...the rest is history. If the FBI do their job, not just Holden should go to jail but all of the players names need to be known and sent to jail...I will keep up with this one.
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