Yes GR, those numbers. Collierville density will increase beyond memphis as well. Perhaps the news papers will then start to refer to memphis as a suburb. Consolidation won't be so bad until they decide to fold the police department and fire department of memphis into the county. Won't that be special?
As for the judge and the previous consolidation vote, we will see. I think it is obvious, given the fact that the city has a charter it could revoke in order to consolidate with the county will carry the day. Even if it doesn't, the fact that the total vote of city and county combined shows that the citizens don't want consolidation by an almost two to one majority will seal the deal with a firm NO.
Germantown will get all of the schools within it's borders AND there will be no success to any litigation that anyone could bring regarding resegregation issues for the simple reason that there is no segregation in the school system.
A merger of county/city governments doesn't really bother me personally. I could see how those in the unincorporated county may not like it, but the SCC is already Memphis controlled, and the county mayor post really isn't a powerful position.
As long as our cities have control over the school systems, then consolidation would bring minimal difference to those of us in the suburbs.
We'll still operate our own police, fire, and schools, and we'll still have control over most everything that's important to a community. We'll pay county taxes, sure, but that's no different than today.
As for the Germantown school argument, even though there is a lot more to discuss, I'm confident an agreement will be reached. For me personally, I don't care all that much what the agreement is. I just want it settled, so we move forward, and I think that's what will happen. I'm sure some within our community will not be happy with whatever outcome is reached, because we'll either not operate all the schools, or we'll have to "pay too much" in exchange for operating all the schools, but I can live with either outcome and be pleased as punch.
That said, I definitely think these deals lean a whole lot closer to what the suburbs wanted (free transfer of buildings and a dropping of the lawsuit) than what the Memphis side wanted (the kitchen sink). To me, that tells me that the SCS/SCC lawyers advised their clients that their legal position wasn't strong.
Maybe our government has been a bad example lately, but it seems a lot of people have forgotten that no one gets everything they want in a negotiation, but the suburbs definitely seem to be ending up REALLY close to everything they wanted. Paying a fee for 12 years to help cover retirement benefits is a token at best. Anyone in the suburbs complaining about these deals needs to take a step back. 12 years is not a long time, and the fees are more than manageable. The titles to the buildings are coming to the MSDs, just as we wanted (no lease agreements). They're coming for a token $10 quit claim, and 12 years from now, there will be no more required token fees. The time for fighting and complaining is ending. It's time to focus on education again.
Mr. Flinn is correct when he says there is no better funding mechanism. I disagree that the funding should occur. He is correct in studies showing A "Quality" Pre-K does produce positive results. But:
National Institute for Early Education Research
Getting the Facts Right on Pre-K
and the President’s Pre-K Proposal
by W. Steven Barnett, Ph.D.
February 25, 2013
"No large-scale public program has ever had the funds to replicate the highly intensive Perry Preschool Program (with one highly qualified teacher for every six children). A reasonable conclusion from the research is that underfunded programs with low standards produce few significant benefits (Barnett & Nores, in press; Ruhm & Waldfogel, 2011)."
You forget that Memphis, as a city, is no longer in the school business. The need for new schools farther east is a county (SCS) problem. If schools are built there or anywhere in the SCS, the entire county will pay, including the munis.
As far as litigation over thse schools in Germantown, they will lose. You will have the state acknowdleging that the schools are under the control of the SCS, the other munis because by signing agreements, they are saying that those schools were under the purview of the SCS. Absent legislation from the General Assembly, the judge would have no recourse but to say the state intended that those schools remain under the control of the SCS. If they had wanted different, they should have legislated it.
As far as a re-segregation claim, Germantown would still not be out of the woods, as the other munis know. That is why they have accepted the agreements. Regardless of what the outcome is on the lawsuit against the state, each muni, as it trys to create it's own msd could be the subject of an administrative complaint to stop federal funding for re-segregation under Title VI and VII of the Civil Rights ACTS or 1964/65. It can be brought by anyone who has children or an interest in the schools, taxpayers. There is no fee for filing the complaint. If, after an investigation by the Office of Civil Rights, they decide the case has merit, then, they, the U. S. Government will officially take the case. In other words, it would not cost the complainant nothing at all. Please read the Wake County Title VI and VII claims that made Wake County change their original plans and even got members of the conservative, gop, BOE booted out of office.
So, Homer, let Germantown do what it wishes. I promise you that things will not work the way you describe.
The only thing holding up a Memphis/Shelby County consolidation of government is Judge Anderson. The lawsuit filed by 7 or 8 plaintiffs, citizens of Memphis, that the law requiring two affirmative votes to consolidate is still ongoing. The filed argue that the law violates the Voting Rights Act in that it dilute the voting strength of blacks. Without that law, consolidation would win, hands down, if held in a national presidential year election.
The defendants claim that they have U. S. Supreme Court precedence in the ruling of the Lockport Case. But, evidently, they didn't read the case closely. The ruling in the Lockport turned on the fact that one was a city and the other a rural, argicultural community and did not share the same interest. In the Memphis/Shelby County situation, it is completely different. Both entities have the same interests because both are mainly municipals. The government structure is the same with the same governmental interest. The Lockport decision does not fit the Memphis/Shelby County situation at all. I predict that those plaintiffs will win this suit and consolidation will be accomplished at the next available national election.
Eeyore, regardless of what you think, I am not ever too far off n my predictions.
Just for reference, I assume you mean people per square mile Eeyore.
Here are the densities in terms of people per square mile, using the most recent census estimates and only counting land, not water:
Bartlett - 2882.5
Germantown - 2225.1
Memphis - 2079.2
Collierville - 1809.1
Millington - 652.3
Arlington - 564.6
Lakeland - 389.9
Combined for the 6 suburbs - 1455.5
I expect Collierville, Arlington, and Lakeland to continue to grow in the coming years. Germantown and Bartlett both may be nearing maximum capacity.
I liked the typo. It's not quite as good as OTP's typo where he called Germantown the "shitest" suburb, but it's still a funny one picturing everyone going for a swim in November rather than going to vote.
I like both of these guys.
Thanks for the pool/polls typo catch, Homer. One of those things a spell-check mechanism won't catch. Fixed now, though word-of-mouth (plus the next few comments here) suggest there are some actual (or potential) betting pools on the outcome at the polls.
Soon there will be peace in the valley, until they start talking about consolidation, and raising county taxes another 9%, and revoking the memphis city charter, and again raising county taxes another 9%, and again consolidation.
Maybe OTP will tell us how home rule and local control works.
MCS2.0 will still be broken, memphis taxes will go up another dollar, and there will be lots of annexing before the de-annexing begins, but only after the population density of the "city" goes below that of the "suburban" areas.
A few thoughts...
1. The referendum should be a resounding NO only beacuse I don't think anyone paying attention believes this will go for Pre-K, despite assurances.
2. Let Flinn and Whalum drive Memphis for a awhile. Take the keys, literally, away from Fullilove and Company.
3. Memphis seems headed toward eventual bankruptcy. It won't happen today or next year, but it seems headed that direction.
4. The best hope for Memphis is new Memphians.
Looks like 2 to 1 No may be optimistic. I don't know who besides the "I want a free babysitter" crowd will vote for this joke.
Whalum's correct, ... there is nothing indicating any lasting positive impact of Pre_K.
Flinn is just pandering the Memphis majority prior to an effort at becoming the Mayor in the next election. These idiots are so, so painfully transparent.
Congrats homer to you and your community.
Just a hunch, but I bet it's near 2 to 1 No. Basing that hunch on history.
Just wanted to get my prediction in before results start rolling in.
The Memphians who go to the pools on Thursday,
Are they swimming or voting?
Gtown police don't like soccer moms at 6 am either!
And that's what I think SCS sees homer. The deferred maintenance on those buildings is not desirable.
If SCS can get Germantown to help them build brand spanking new schools in the area of growth (385), and they can pawn the deferred maintenance off on Germantown, they will be much better off. I don't know if that's how the deal will work, but it would be wise for SCS to consider it.
As I've said, it's ultimately about money. Is there an amount in there that satisfies both SCS and Germantown that allows those three schools to stay with GMSD, or will we operate with 5?
I don't know the answer, but if I'm SCS or the SCC, the possibility of Germantown picking up a big portion of the tab for an area that's going to need schools anyway at some point is desirable.
As for Germantown police, they harass black folks and teenagers, since most crime in the area comes from those demographics. I got pulled over quite a few times as a teen when I did nothing wrong. I even had a drug dog sniffing my car once, even though my only crime was driving on a Friday night with two friends in the car. We fit the profile of a pot smoking group. That's what happens when you have a police staff that is bored and overstaffed. They start profiling and harassing to see if they can find something. They'll also ticket you for going 10 over. They're notorious for it.
I had a great laugh today. I actually laughed my ass off when the agreement became available. I'd been told there were big surprises in store, but I had no idea how it would affect me, that is, until I started to laugh and my ass fell off.
Is everyone else surprised?
I used to laugh at my weekend police escorts through gtown. I frequently visited the Wolfchase/Bartlett area and returned home down Germantown Rd. As soon as I crossed the border into gtown I would be escorted to Stout Rd. I didn't break any laws. I stuck to the speed limit. I wasn't looking for anything to steal. My salary was probably twice that of the officer following me. My only crime/suspicion was driving at night while black.
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