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Re: “Game on: City Gets a Deannexation Plan Of Its Own to Mull Over

3,671 people in Raleigh are getting thrown under the bus so 4,146 people in Cordova can get a tax cut.

My parents were only two blocks away from having their access to police cut in an area known for crime and in desperate need of strong police presence.

This "cut to grow" argument is just mathematically fallacious. Anybody who tries to tell you less is more really thinks your ability to see through a bamboozle is less, and their ability to pull off a confidence-game flim-flam scam is more.

There's a sucker born every minute, and if you're falling for this plan you're one of them.

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Posted by FUNKbrs on 02/03/2017 at 10:05 AM

Re: “Strickland Gives Hints of De-Annexation Plan to Uneasy Legislators

Reminds me of OTP...
Sometimes I miss his insight.
This isn't one of them.

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Posted by circle314159 on 02/02/2017 at 8:37 PM

Re: “Strickland Gives Hints of De-Annexation Plan to Uneasy Legislators

My problem isn't the racists leaving: good riddance.

My problem is when they come back.

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Posted by FUNKbrs on 02/02/2017 at 4:11 PM

Re: “Strickland Gives Hints of De-Annexation Plan to Uneasy Legislators

@FUNK,

I'm not going to say why or why not people move. The history is there, and there are many reasons, and yes some of them aren't admirable. Personally, I like to deal in realities of human behavior rather than trying to say "well, if you'd just act the way I think you should act..."

That's why when we discuss issues like illegal immigration or minimum wage or any other political topic, I don't worry about the Utopian idea of how I think people or businesses should act. I simply think of things in terms of reality of how they will act.

For example, it would be nice if you could raise minimum wage and simply expect companies to pay it in order to help boost wages for blue collar workers in America. However, that's not reality. Reality is that increasing minimum wage simply leads to more automation and more demand for illegal/cheaper labor. You can't make policy decisions based off what you think people/companies SHOULD do out of the goodness of their hearts. You have to make decisions based off of what they WILL do, and the root of those decisions is always going to involve money in some form or fashion.

Regardless of the reason why, Memphis has known for decades that annexation of new areas provides a short-term revenue boost, but not long after, people leave the annexed area, driving down property values in that area and in other parts of the city, leaving a similar, if not deflated tax base and a larger geographical area to have to service. It doesn't matter if people are leaving because they're racists, or if they're leaving because they see it being economically beneficial for them to leave. The fact is that you know the end result of those annexations whether you choose to like the reason for that result or not. Therefore, you should make your policy decision based off of that reality.

I'll also add that calling people ugly names or telling them their actions are dishonorable is not an effective strategy to get people to change their actions. If anything, it just makes it that much easier for them to do the opposite of what you want.

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Posted by GroveReb84 on 02/02/2017 at 3:19 PM

Re: “Strickland Gives Hints of De-Annexation Plan to Uneasy Legislators

@Funk,

"Turncoats always have excuses to justify why they didn't stand up for their own people when duty called."

I'd be interested if you would elaborate on that statement. I think I know where you are going but don't want to comment with further clarification. Thanks.

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Posted by Timeout4 on 02/02/2017 at 3:12 PM

Re: “Strickland Gives Hints of De-Annexation Plan to Uneasy Legislators

Funkbrs, that is getting a little nutty.

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Posted by Nick R on 02/02/2017 at 3:10 PM

Re: “Strickland Gives Hints of De-Annexation Plan to Uneasy Legislators

I notice that other news sources are reporting that it might take Memphis "years" to plan any de-annexation.

Don't know where that bit of information came from, but if from the City of Memphis, they might want to re-think that.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 02/02/2017 at 2:38 PM

Re: “Strickland Gives Hints of De-Annexation Plan to Uneasy Legislators

I love the tiptoeing around desegregation.

My parents met through busing.

If you think I'm going to buy this "I'm not a racist, but I agree that..." garbage you should try pulling my other leg, the one with the bells on it.

"...Goering was a crazy we wanted to deport
Sing the I was not a Nazi Polka
We all thought that Dachau was just a nice resort
Sing the I was not a Nazi Polka

The German is so cultured, he does not like to fight
The peaceful life is what he most enjoys
For years the German people were utterly convinced
I.G. Farben manufactured children's toys...


To our Israeli allies let us raise a toast
Sing the I was not a Nazi Polka
Sure there were some Nazis, two or three at most
Sing the I was not a Nazi Polka

We tried to throw off Hitler right from the very start
That's what every history book should tell
We hated Heinrich Himmler, Martin Bormann too
We believe as Sherman did that war is hell.. hell.. hell.. hell..
Heil!.. Heil!.. Heil!.. Sieg heil!.. Sieg heil!.. Sieg heil!!

Germans are as gentle as flowers in the spring
Sing the I was not a Nazi Polka
Germans are a people who love to dance and sing
Sing the I was not a Nazi Polka" ...

----Excerpt from "I was not a Nazi Polka" by Chad Mitchell trio

Source: http://lyrics.wikia.com/wiki/Chad_Mitchell…

I bet you wont hear THIS folk song at River Arts Fest, lol.

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Posted by FUNKbrs on 02/02/2017 at 1:54 PM

Re: “Strickland Gives Hints of De-Annexation Plan to Uneasy Legislators

I'm a big believer in personal freedom, and if you're going to do something as a government, you can't just expect people to pay taxes to you or stay put to help the city/county/state out just out of the good of their hearts.

If you want people and their tax revenue, you have to earn it as a city by providing the services and attractions to garner that income.

That's why the state has changed the law to give the people a choice in annexation, because they want cities to have to earn the right to annex citizens. If Collierville wants to annex some of its reserve, it better provide something to those residents (maybe it's better schools, maybe it's better roads and infrastructure, maybe it's increased property values, maybe it's something else), but they need to sell the residents on it.

For Memphis, the city has created the sprawl it's dealing with by the growth strategy it has used for the last 40 years. If you are continually annexing areas without offering them anything other than increased taxes and a weaker school system, you're going to decrease property values in that area, and you're going to have residents leaving the area. The solution now is de-annexation and re-vitalization of the core of Memphis.

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Posted by GroveReb84 on 02/02/2017 at 1:22 PM

Re: “Strickland Gives Hints of De-Annexation Plan to Uneasy Legislators

FUNKbrs, people moving out of a jurisdiction because they didn't like the policies in that jurisdiction aren't Nazis. The Nazis are the ones who went after them, and annexed our own local Sudetenland, in Cordova and Southwind.

If you're going to use an historic analogy, at least think it through.

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Posted by Thoughtful on 02/02/2017 at 1:06 PM

Re: “Strickland Gives Hints of De-Annexation Plan to Uneasy Legislators

@abrigno

In fairness, Public Chapter 1101 allowed municipalities to create annexation reserves where annexations could be done without the agreement of the people living there. Memphis did nothing illegal at all, and I agree with those who say the people moving to those areas knew, or should have known, they were liable for annexation. In my case, I was there prior to those annexation zones being created.

Now, of course, annexations are now prohibited unless those proposed to be annexed duly vote to approve the annexation. But not true then.

So Memphis has a choice.

Either they can begin to authorize recently annexed areas to break away (provided a referendum in that area is in favor of it) or the Legislature will act.

My guess is that the Legislature will hold their fire if Memphis gets on with it.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 02/02/2017 at 12:38 PM

Re: “Strickland Gives Hints of De-Annexation Plan to Uneasy Legislators

The threat of loss of income is the driver. They can take you in without your consent to pay for all the crap they need money for. If people want to get annexed, great, if they don't, great. People should have a say in the matter. Those forced in against their will should be able to get out.

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Posted by abrigno on 02/02/2017 at 12:27 PM

Re: “Strickland Gives Hints of De-Annexation Plan to Uneasy Legislators

@FUNK

It was not integration its self that fueled the move to the suburbs, but forced busing to achieve that end was certainly a major factor.

But in my case, it was a simple value proposition.

The tune I sung was this: "If you propose to annex me and double my taxes, show me what I am getting for that tax increase"

The answer from the City of Memphis was nothing. Well, one thing, the "privilege" to live in the City of Memphis.

No thanks. I passed that offer and moved to Arlington.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 02/02/2017 at 11:47 AM

Re: “Strickland Gives Hints of De-Annexation Plan to Uneasy Legislators

Turncoats always have excuses to justify why they didn't stand up for their own people when duty called.

It was school integration and busing that first drove people out of the city. The tune you're singing is called the "I was not a Nazi" polka. Tracking down the stragglers and bringing their communities back into the fold was fully justified.

The irony that Memphis city is in fact the Shelby county seat is not lost on me. This is a shell game.

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Posted by FUNKbrs on 02/02/2017 at 11:12 AM

Re: “Strickland Gives Hints of De-Annexation Plan to Uneasy Legislators

@FUNK

The endless cycles of annexations by the City of Memphis is exactly what drove people to other cities and surburbs.

I was one of them.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 02/02/2017 at 10:58 AM

Re: “Strickland Gives Hints of De-Annexation Plan to Uneasy Legislators

Division is never the answer, and this is divide and conquer politics if I've ever seen it.

Even if we do allow vulture communities to bite chunks out of our municipality, the services still have to come from somewhere.

Playing hot potato with the responsibilities of government is just a dodge, just like it was with the charter surrender of Memphis City schools. Putting this back on the county is just going to result in the county dumping it right back on the city in an endless cycle designed to obstruct growth in Memphis and drive our people and economy to other cities and suburbs, preferably in Nashville where little of the economy will slip across state lines like it does with AR and MS suburbs in Memphis.

Strickland is a failure, and realizing under his leadership the city is only becoming more violent and poor than it was under AC Wharton, he's decided to dissolve the city piece by piece for profit since his legacy is already shot. Why not? He has almost no chance of being re-elected; he's got nothing to lose now.

It's the perfect timing, considering everyone is focused on national politics which frankly don't effect our day-to-day standard of living.

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Posted by FUNKbrs on 02/02/2017 at 10:49 AM

Re: “Strickland Gives Hints of De-Annexation Plan to Uneasy Legislators

I've been saying this for years. It makes sense. De-annex and focus the financial investment on the inner-city rather than trying to cover extended areas that you're only servicing due to attempts at a property tax grab. Annexation has always been a short-term gain, long-term loss for the city.

It's been a move made by city leaders in order to shore up short-term budget issues, with many of them likely recognizing that they were simply kicking the can down the road for the next set of elected officials to solve.

De-annex and focus on developing the core of Memphis. That should be Memphis's strategy. Use the property and sales tax funds from East Memphis, Midtown, and Downtown to help reinvigorate North and South Memphis. Create a vibrant core of business activity. Then maybe you get to the point where nearby areas start asking to be brought in to Memphis, so they can be part of the success.

It's not an easy solution, but I think it could be done with some leadership that really takes a long-term view for the city.

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Posted by GroveReb84 on 02/02/2017 at 9:33 AM

Re: “Strickland Gives Hints of De-Annexation Plan to Uneasy Legislators

Strickland, the Nashville Shill, coming to divvy up the spoils of his election after crime soars and development stagnates under his administration?

It's almost as if this end game was the point of Strickland's plan from the very beginning.

Imagine if the president "de-annexed" Texas to Mexico, or Alaska to Russia. He would be quickly impeached, and hopefully charged with treason. Strickland's basically doing the same thing here, but where is the outcry?

I've always hated Strickland's Pro-Loeb anti-house show policies (shortly before Loeb redeveloped the square, there was a massive and still ongoing crackdown on traditional house party shows which were legendary and were the highlight of many Memphians youth), but this is a depth to which I thought not even he could sink.

But I guess we're #stuckwithstrickland

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Posted by FUNKbrs on 02/02/2017 at 8:14 AM

Re: “Memphis Immigration Lawyers Fear the Worst, Look to Congress for Relief

I also have read that Trump cancelled Valentines Day and Easter, in return offering Hallmark and The Easter Bunny Cabinet positions, Agriculture and Commerce respectively.

Posted by Bric-a-Brac on 02/01/2017 at 12:52 PM

Re: “Dark Ages Coming?

It is Cohen and his left wing ilk that have destroyed the democratic party. The dems have lost track of, or just do not care about unglamorous working people, but just love those poor misunderstood criminals.

The dems have lost control of the presidency, house and senate. They had better huddle up soon and start coming up with solutions.

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Posted by LoveBC on 02/01/2017 at 12:32 PM

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