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Re: “In Huge Upset, Trump Defeats Clinton

I agree with your analysis, Grove. I also have pointed out before, that the Democrats should have let Bernie win, rather than artificially prop up Hillary with the super delegates, in order to harvest some of the anti-establishment voter sentiment we saw this year. They shot themselves in the posterior quite effectively.

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Posted by OakTree on 11/09/2016 at 7:20 PM

Re: “In Huge Upset, Trump Defeats Clinton

APop,
Thanks. I'll look it up elsewhere as well. I only believe the news if it comes from an ex beauty queen.

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Posted by CL Mullins on 11/09/2016 at 6:47 PM

Re: “In Huge Upset, Trump Defeats Clinton

@CL

Those figures were part of the noon NBC news broadcast, but the only comparison I saw was between Trump and Romney, with Trump outperforming Romney in both demographics. I am sure you can find them on the NBC website.

I must say it surprised the hell out of me, especially Trump getting 31% of the Latino vote.

I don't own rubles, so I don't know. My dollars increased in value, I think. But that was early in the day and currency values are very volatile.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 11/09/2016 at 6:04 PM

Re: “In Huge Upset, Trump Defeats Clinton

Grove,
I'm feeling a little lazy, could you post where I can access your stats re: voting percentages for blacks and hispanics?

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Posted by CL Mullins on 11/09/2016 at 4:41 PM

Re: “In Huge Upset, Trump Defeats Clinton

Just goes to show that the betting markets have the best statisticians. Also have to add the folks in flyover country just shot the elites on the coasts (except for the redneck rivera) the bird.

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Posted by LoveBC on 11/09/2016 at 4:28 PM

Re: “In Huge Upset, Trump Defeats Clinton

Let me also add that Trump was NOT elected by conservatives.

He was elected by the group that's been ignored by our politicians for decades now, working class Americans that are fed up with immigration policies that hurt their wages and trade policies that tighten the job markets for blue collar work.

Some of those people are conservative. Some would be considered liberal. He won the election because he broke with traditional political lines and appealed to a very large voting group that's been ignored by our political system.

To suggest Trump is a Republican, or even representing conservatives, is just not true. He did receive a lot of anti-Hillary conservative votes that anyone with an R by their name would've received, but he won because he appealed to working class Americans, a group that isn't particularly confined to conservative values.

And yes that even crossed racial lines, as he took home a higher percentage of the African American vote than any Republican since the Civil Rights era, and he even had better numbers with Hispanics than Romney. You're seeing an uprising from the working class, and it's not going away.

The DNC tried to ignore it by rigging the primary for Hillary, shutting out Sanders. The GOP had no choice but to accept it, as they didn't have a super delegate system that allowed them to ignore the working class voter's wishes.

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Posted by GroveReb84 on 11/09/2016 at 4:11 PM

Re: “In Huge Upset, Trump Defeats Clinton

Infrastructure spending was part of both of their economic plans. Both also stated they'd alter the ACA (well one said do away with it entirely, the other would keep the "good parts" - like not being able to deny coverage for preexisting conditions). Markets are up because he's basically vowed to do away with much industry regulation, including the EPA. So hey, we can all enjoy lower taxes whilst drowning in poisoned water and air, and for some, sans health care coverage!

On another note, it will be interesting to see if he personally follows through with his neo nativist policies and actually starts manufacturing his Trump-brand products in the US. Not holding my breath on that one. Weird how the current brand of self-called conservative "Constutionalists" don't actually believe in the axial principle on which the entire country was founded - you know - separation of church and state.

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Posted by Mary Ost on 11/09/2016 at 3:54 PM

Re: “In Huge Upset, Trump Defeats Clinton

What is it with people and executive orders?

Bush did more than Obama PLUS he did signing statements where he basically tried to pre-empt the very laws he was signing.

Obama signed less per year than any President since Grover Cleveland. Gimme a break

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders…

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Posted by datGuy on 11/09/2016 at 3:40 PM

Re: “In Huge Upset, Trump Defeats Clinton

"tax cuts" for the wealthiest while raising on single parent families? There's a bright plan.

Apparently balancing a budget is no longer important.

Given our debt to income ratio is really close to the fiscal prudence powerhouses like Portugal, Italy and Greece. It should be fun for the next 4 years!!!!

https://data.oecd.org/gga/general-governme…

Personally, I am betting on China in this race

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Posted by datGuy on 11/09/2016 at 3:36 PM

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So apparently the Dow just hit an all-time high.

That's a result I did NOT see coming. No one did.

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Posted by GroveReb84 on 11/09/2016 at 2:41 PM

Re: “In Huge Upset, Trump Defeats Clinton

APop,
I think you need to review GW's use of executive orders in the creation of the going on 17 year Mid-East war and what doors that opens for the Donald.
But I am looking forward to multiple bankruptcies and reneging on the China debts, he's the man.
But then with Hillary it would be same as it ever was.
btw speaking of Markets, what did the ruble open at today?

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Posted by CL Mullins on 11/09/2016 at 1:31 PM

Re: “In Huge Upset, Trump Defeats Clinton

After reading some on what Trump now says he wants to do economically, I do like where he's going. Infrastructure spending makes a lot of sense. It both generates blue collar work, and it benefits everyone by lowering the cost of our goods. Recognizing that taking on debt when rates are low is not a bad thing is refreshing to see. Reducing corporate and individual tax rates should benefit us all.

Revamping the ACA is needed, hopefully in a business friendly manner.

There are some positive things there to build on for sure.

What he does on immigration policy, we will see, but I think he's got a good start on economic policy if he follows through with what he's saying. I'm guessing that's why the markets have actually surprised today by not taking a big hit. In fact, the major indexes are up today.

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Posted by GroveReb84 on 11/09/2016 at 1:17 PM

Re: “In Huge Upset, Trump Defeats Clinton

@Future

It was never about the number of executive orders but rather the scope of those orders.

I think we all understand that as the Chief Executive, the President has prerogative to issue administrative orders in his functioning as the head of the Executive branch.

But when he issued orders such as those that effected the ACA and those dealing with immigration, that stepped on the toes of Congress, who has the sole constitutional authority to write the laws, and there was trouble. The Congress objected to what they saw as an usurpation of their lawful powers and the courts agreed with Congress.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 11/09/2016 at 1:04 PM

Re: “In Huge Upset, Trump Defeats Clinton

Future, it wasn't the quantity of O's executive orders, it was the magnitude of his orders. Most presidential orders are rather inconspicuous and meaningless. Obama was trying to change American law and side step Congress and the Constitution with his orders (and the courts slapped him down most of the time).

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Posted by Firefox on 11/09/2016 at 1:02 PM

Re: “In Huge Upset, Trump Defeats Clinton

Obama issued FEWER Executive Orders than any President in the last 130 years. That's a FACT and you can Google it yourself. We didn't "give him more power."

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Posted by future69 on 11/09/2016 at 12:27 PM

Re: “In Huge Upset, Trump Defeats Clinton

Oppressive progressiveness is forcing people to do the right thing. Like the damn civil rights act.

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Posted by ern on 11/09/2016 at 12:00 PM

Re: “In Huge Upset, Trump Defeats Clinton

Meanwhile two representatives in my district ran unopposed, meaning the body of government that actually has the power to pass laws gave me no choice in who to vote for.

But hey, a position that's basically a figurehead with only veto and bill initiation powers and no actual law passing powers is filled by someone gossip worthy, so I guess there's that.

Remember, the boot that goes on your neck's other foot will be planted firmly on local soil, not in Washington.

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Posted by FUNKbrs on 11/09/2016 at 11:28 AM

Re: “In Huge Upset, Trump Defeats Clinton

Well you got your man Firefox. "...oppressive progressiveness..."? Explain please?

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Posted by Smitty1961 on 11/09/2016 at 11:06 AM

Re: “In Huge Upset, Trump Defeats Clinton

You are 100% right Grove. What comes around goes around. Democrats have opened the door to: more Executive Orders, eliminating fillibusters for appointments, and passing bills through reconcilliation! No one to blame but themselves!

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Posted by Firefox on 11/09/2016 at 11:04 AM

Re: “In Huge Upset, Trump Defeats Clinton

Make America Great Again! Lower taxes, border security, common sense immigration vetting, repeal and replacing Obamacare, and stacking the federal and Supreme Courts with conservative Constitutionalists, are all on the table now! It's a great day in America! The cloud of oppressive progressiveness is hopefully going away.

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Posted by Firefox on 11/09/2016 at 11:00 AM

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