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Re: “Democratic Discontent in Philadelphia

"Glitch in the system" = all comments filtered/edited through the HRC private server for, y'know, your protection.

Posted by Long Duck Dong on 07/27/2016 at 11:47 AM

Re: “Trump's Acceptance Address Aimed Beyond the GOP Base

WOW..! I'm not a dedicated reader of the Flyer...Although I take a look and express my opinion(s) from time to time.... I'm a conservative & a libertarian and completely sick of the 'establishment' politics..... Our choices are limited, we have two chances of a winner; DT or HC. One is the establishment politics the other is a disrupter. Maybe even paying more bribes that HC has taken, although I doubt it. My decision of casting right vote will fall on the disrupter.... Why? He is the best chance of freeing the people from the limited thinking and the good ole boy politics of the past.
Oak. I'm shocked at how much sense you made in this reading. Hi fives for you Sir!!

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Posted by Brackston on 07/27/2016 at 10:48 AM

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It's a bad idea to read new things, because it might challenge the misconceptions of your deluded state. Better to hold on to those fixed opinions. Right, Brunetto?

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Posted by Thoughtful on 07/27/2016 at 10:46 AM

Re: “Democratic Discontent in Philadelphia

So, what are the differences between fascism and oligarchy?

Posted by CL Mullins on 07/27/2016 at 9:04 AM

Re: “Democratic Discontent in Philadelphia

Comments are open now. Glitch in the system.

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Posted by BruceVanWyngarden on 07/27/2016 at 8:42 AM

Re: “Trump's Acceptance Address Aimed Beyond the GOP Base

Why are comments closed for the Jackson Baker "Discontent" article?

Posted by Clyde on 07/27/2016 at 8:18 AM

Re: “Trump's Acceptance Address Aimed Beyond the GOP Base

I didn't read that, but let me say I feel so sorry for those persecuted gay Republicans. NOT!

The "Gay Left"? I think the "Gay Right" must be an invention of the Cheney family. Please don't pass around their kool-aid. There may be some newly-out-to-themselves gay people reading this stuff who are still young enough and impressionable enough to believe there's room for self-respecting homosexuals in the church or the Republican party. It took me nearly 10 years to liberate myself from such delusions.

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Posted by Brunetto Latini on 07/27/2016 at 6:50 AM

Re: “Trump's Acceptance Address Aimed Beyond the GOP Base

Republican love means never having to ask to be spanked.

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Posted by ern on 07/27/2016 at 1:06 AM

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@BL - Here's an interesting article on gay Republicans. It points out some of the issues I was talking about, with hate coming from both the Gay Left and the Social Conservative Right:

https://mic.com/articles/124695/meet-chyrs…

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Posted by OakTree on 07/27/2016 at 12:24 AM

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@BL - Whatever. It's common in academia, as I've stated.

My opinion on the culture wars, is that what you are seeing is the last gasp before sexual identity issues become as much of a non-issue in the mainstream as religious denomination or ethnic origin. It's a process of diffusion of what is considered normative or not. That diffusion has percolated through American culture pretty thoroughly. Once something is accepted as normative, it doesn't arouse enough animus to affect most peoples' behavior.

There will be those who still discriminate based upon race, religion and sexual orientation, of course, but they will be outliers. To a great degree they already are. I don't know any major corporation or hospital or university that would hire someone if they discovered that they were discriminating against a gay person for instance. They would be fired if it was reported and they already worked there. So the Republican Party has to accept that, or become irrelevant.

And no you weren't using the correct word. Look at the definition as I posted. Most of the population of Planet Earth is deluded at one time or another. But most of the world's population doesn't have mental illness. Quite a different thing. It's like nauseous and nauseated. People use them incorrectly all the time.

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Posted by OakTree on 07/26/2016 at 11:40 PM

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Mia, yes, I agree. I suppose you're doubly-damned when you're a gaytheist.

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Posted by Brunetto Latini on 07/26/2016 at 11:38 PM

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Brunetto,
I would include popular opinion against atheists in the ongoing culture war, that hasn't changed that much.

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Posted by Mia S Kite on 07/26/2016 at 11:19 PM

Re: “Trump's Acceptance Address Aimed Beyond the GOP Base

@OakTree
Your opinion that the culture wars are very nearly over reminds me of an article I read in The Washington Post by David Lat about (coincidentally) Peter Thiel. Lat said Thiel had no cause to be hacked-off about being outed because "today, being gay is no different from having brown hair." My opinion of Lat was that he was an insular, East coast professional entirely out-of-touch with gay experience in middle America. Your opinion of culture wars coming to an end -- stated on a Tennessee newspaper's website, of all places -- is just as absurd, in my estimation.

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Posted by Brunetto Latini on 07/26/2016 at 10:16 PM

Re: “Trump's Acceptance Address Aimed Beyond the GOP Base

OakTree, the issue isn't with my vocabulary. I'm certain of it.

No, I don't know a lot of gay Republicans. Not any, actually. And it isn't a common political affiliation, so far as I know, within membership of the major gay rights organizations. I think your society must be unusual.

Now, if you're talking about closeted gay men, then that's a different topic.

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Posted by Brunetto Latini on 07/26/2016 at 10:07 PM

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@DG - I agree there are immense differences in the approaches of Clinton and Trump. It's just that I see characteristics in both of them which are stop-go-no-further red-lines for me. Both. Therefore the logical next step is to choose a different candidate. It's really very simple.

Now the idea that everybody already knows what a Trump or Clinton presidency is going to be like, is wrong though. If I had you make a list of all the things that you are afraid of, all by yourself, and then later we went through it, after the conclusion of said presidency, I'd bet a burger and the cold drink of your choice that at least half of them never happen. For either candidate.

People are responding to their hopes, dreams, fears, and dreads when they think of 'The Opposition'. That's why I called it 'the shibboleth of accumulated fears' above. Both of those two carry negative ratings for a reason. People fear what they are going to end up doing.

It's an interesting dynamic.

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Posted by OakTree on 07/26/2016 at 9:57 PM

Re: “Trump's Acceptance Address Aimed Beyond the GOP Base

Oak,
Yikes, that's some video reference. If you know quite a number of gay Republicans, then I think we can cede you the expertise in familiarity with delusion.
Brunetto,
I am really enjoying your postings here as quite the example of an individual's evolution, which of course is a common thread for you.

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Posted by CL Mullins on 07/26/2016 at 9:40 PM

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@CL - Bruce can call me an idiot if he wants. As long as I'm a PRECIOUS idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz-8CSa9xj…

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Posted by OakTree on 07/26/2016 at 9:05 PM

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@BL - Once again, you and I have different way of looking at the world, so we will see different things from our different perspectives. I still respect your experience and convictions, even when I disagree with them. And even when you don't respect mine.

However, calling someone delusional, is different than saying they are deluded. The first is technically a medical diagnosis related to cognitive functioning, while the latter is a common and pretty much universal human foible. The objection is to an incorrect medical term, not a desire that you see me any particular way or another. I couldn't care less, really.

As to what worlds we each live in, mine has quite a number of gay Republicans in it, actually. I can't vouch for yours. Things are much, much different now than they were even 15 years ago. It's not a very uncommon thing. Particularly in academia.

I have noticed over the years, that sometimes those who have been the victims of unreasonable persecution and discrimination, will tend to reflexively keep their defenses up, long after the necessity for those defensive postures has passed. I wouldn't dream of suggesting that you do anything other than whatever makes you comfortable. But I think the culture wars are very nearly over. Those prosecuting them are passing out of power, or passing away. I could point you to sociological papers on the subject describing that change, but you don't need them. If you wanted to read about it in the journals, you already would have done so.

Believe what you want to believe. But please use the words correctly at least.

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Posted by OakTree on 07/26/2016 at 8:57 PM

Re: “Trump's Acceptance Address Aimed Beyond the GOP Base

@oak, know this before I even dive in, I'm no fan of Hillary, that said suggesting therre's no difference between her in donald just doesn't hold water.

Hillary is for raising the minimum wage, Donald is for opening doors to lowering it
Hilary is for ACA which insures tens of millions, Donald is for eliminating it
Hilary is for making college more affording for working families, Trump is indifferent to the current situation
Donald has suggested we might not defend some NATO allies
Donald has suggested having a trade war with China and others

I'm sorry, those are very meaningful differences, meaningful to working class families, meaningful to the least among us and meaningful to us all if he instituted a trade war

Whatever you may think of or lack of differences in character - those policy differences are immense

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Posted by datGuy on 07/26/2016 at 8:22 PM

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OakTree, this isn't an apology, but an observation. Someone so well-versed as you in religious matters surely knows that greed, hatred, and delusion are common to most human beings. Maybe you're objecting to my using the term "delusion" because you're wanting me to acknowledge you as an enlightened individual. Sorry, I don't recognize that. I don't recognize enlightenment, as I've said before. You are as prone to a deluded opinion as I am or anyone else is. It's a word -- a common word. And it's a state of mind -- a common state of mind. I know for a fact that you consider me deluded to a degree, and you've not been shy about saying so. I can't fault you for it because I know myself that in some respects, I am deluded. Most people are.

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Posted by Brunetto Latini on 07/26/2016 at 8:07 PM

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