The Letter from the Editor is hyperbole?
I didn't know that Bruce meant to be the case.
Chelsea seems to be a great young lady, so perhaps Hillary and Bill are pretty good parents.
I was just following Hillary's lead on his children. Pardon my cynicism, but if Trump could have been attacked through his children, the Democrats would have had no hesitancy about doing so.Which leads me to believe they must be pretty good kids.
Actually, I would have been very happy if a Democrat had negotiated this agreement. But they didn't even try. I can't give you an answer on what will happen when the tax break runs out in 10 years. All I know is that 1000 working class people in Indiana are going have jobs and if Trump had not acted those jobs would be going to Mexico. And Obama would have let them go.
And, you're seriously giving drumpf props because he has good kids? What do you even know about his children? They are attractive and Ivanka gives good speeches and puts her name on pretty, overpriced clothes made in China.
I wonder if she'll bring her manufacturing to the US? Ha!
I can't believe how much I'm seeing conservatives ballyhooing drumpf for saving 1,000 jobs for the hefty price tag of 7 mil. And 1,000 jobs are still going to Mexico. What's the incentive going to be when the 7 mil tax break runs out?
Can the people calling this a victory honestly say they would feel the same if it had been "negotiated" by a Democrat?
Good god, people. Have you never heard of (or used) hyperbole. And, this is the Letter From the Editor. It's not a news article. Hyperbole, opinion, whatever, is perfectly acceptable.
I agree with the provision that trade must be more than free, it must be fair.
Which is the gist of Trump's complaints against the various trade agreements now in force. Is he right about that? I don't know. But he is surely in position to make the changes he wants.
Don't take parenting advise from a Clinton.
Ditto on the United Technologies thing.
I'm afraid the 35% tariff was faux populism like his baseball hat. Donald is way too much in debt to tick off corporate America, which is in debt to China.
The irony here is that Trump's stance on keeping jobs in the US, to my knowledge, has been the type of stance a Democrat would usually take.
I'm personally a free trade person, and the type of things you have to do to keep jobs in the US typically end up limiting trade. That one does seem like something he's planning to keep as a focus area.
If he does, and if he's successful in keeping more blue collar work in the US, he's going to be very popular come 2020 when it comes time for re-election.
Of course, I think we'll have our next cyclical recession during his Presidency, and a lot of people will blame him for that, even though it'll just be our typical 8-10 year economic cycle at work. However, if the recession holds off longer than normal, to more like 12 years, and if he is successful in keeping jobs here, he's going to poll really well in states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, etc. in 2020 again.
Oh, I would never make fun of Donald's children. I agree with Hillary that he should be proud of them.
I don't know all the terms of the negotiation settlement between Carrier and Trump, but since Carrier is owned by United Technologies, one of the largest defense contractors, the possibility of losing billions of dollars in defense business just might have been an incentive for Carrier to keep those jobs here and further incentive for them not to violate the terms of the negotiation. Besides, I think that $7 Million is in the form of tax incentives that will be granted over ten years, rather than in cash.
I did like the threat that Donald made a couple of months ago... Leave and build your products somewhere else if you must, but expect a 35% tariff on those items if you bring them back for sale in the US. I was thinking that might be plan that Congress could support, too. I would hate to be in Congress and defend a vote against it.
You do realize that Twitter quotes are Trumps not Maddows. I believe your next response should be, "nuh-uh"
Please don't make fun of Donald's children. As far as success in the business world. how many times has Fred Smith or Bill Gates or Warren Buffett gone bankrupt. (actually I don't know, but am guessing none)
One of the lessons I leaned from Roy Acuff, esteemed Republican and Country Music Hall of Famer, is that you shouldn't wait for the train to hit the crossing before you start singing the blues.
What keeps Carrier from leaving with the money next year.
When I was a kid I was charged a $20 exit fee to get out of Mexico. How about a billion dollar exit fee for businesses seeking to leave the US. Or maybe just build a really big wall.
I don't agree with all of Trump's angles by any means, but he's certainly taking action.
He's already talked to members of Congress about a revised tax plan, hopes to get one on his desk in the first 90 days. He's already talked to them about the repeal and replacement of the ACA, plans to attack that immediately.
As noted, he already got involved in the Carrier deal and very publicly kept over 1000 jobs in the US, which fit along with some of the narrative he used to get elected. Also, note that right after the Carrier deal, China's heavily government driven news released an opinion peace saying how the US won't be able to bring jobs back from China.
What that signals is that China is very afraid after seeing that he actually took action, and they're trying to re-assure their citizens that all is well, when they very well might be in danger.
I think Trump has issues with narcissism, and I do think that a lot of his campaign rhetoric was just that, rhetoric. However, he seems hell-bent on taking action and doing so immediately. At the very least it's going to be interesting to watch, and I do at least look forward to having a slightly bigger paycheck after he lowers my taxes.
The government is giving Carrier 7mil not to take their jobs elsewhere. The plants were making profit and payroll, but choose to screw American because investors want more profit for sitting on their ass. So Donald wants to give Carrier 7mil to a profitable company not to desert the Great Nation that gave it birth.
Obviously you Trump apologists hate free enterprise.
Trump is an icon for corporate socialism.
You can join the Sierra Club and others at our Holiday Party tomorrow night Friday Decmber 2...
I have to agree with AP and Clyde and Nightcrawler here. There is ample evidence that Trump is successfully using non-standard methods to get the results he wants. That these results COULD NOT have been obtained by a 'business as usual' approach is never addressed by those who have, a priori, decided to believe he will never be a productive president. Their prejudice, as in the root of the word, to pre-judge before all the evidence is in, is quite plain.
It's actually quite possible to be a supporter of local activist initiatives and still want to be optimistic, and wait and see what happens once our unproven president-elect is in office. He is likely to rewrite the rule book in many ways which make the media and the elites uncomfortable. I kind of like that. But he's also an agent of chaos. I worry about that as well.
So how's about we just do like I recommended before, and take a chill pill?
We'll find out all we need to know in a couple months.
Alarmist articles before inauguration just jazz people up for no good reason.
I think that is probably not correct. Anyone who has done as well as he has in the business world and has the type of children he has raised knows the value of the truth.
What I think is that Mr. Trump must learn that while hyperbole is useful when you are a billionaire businessman, and extra useful when you are a bombastic showman, it does not do much for you when you are President.
Mr. Trump would be well served if he learned that lesson faster.
Truth is not something that Trump values in his remarks, just throwing fits like an adolescent.
That is one thing else we can agree on. The press has not ever seen anyone who will fight back like Trump. For the last 30 years, he has been fighting against the New York tabloids, and he is experienced at this type of political combat. My opinion is that the press just expected him to sit back and take it and they really don't know what to do when he didn't, except to go ballistic and pile on that much harder.
These next few years are going to be fun to watch.
Especially when they deduce that Trump does not need to use the mainstream media to get his message out.
I'm sure the thousand or so Carrier employees in Indiana, whose jobs were scheduled to be axed soon, could not care less what the president elect and the vice president elect do during their own time.
However, ask those same employees what they think about the aforementioned two saving their jobs and livelihoods BEFORE being officially sworn into office and I'd bet they could talk one's ears off about "caring" (not to mention two Republicans who actually fulfilled a campaign promise).
From where I'm sittin', it's gonna' be real interesting watching the next 1,511 days go by; and it should be very entertaining, too.
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