The analogy does not compare homosexual relationships and smoking pot; it compares the perception and attitude of others about said activities.
Bruce, I am not criticizing your support for gay rights, and I am not so uninformed as to think you're calling homosexuality a bad habit.
I am, however, criticizing your analogy. And I am calling the use of pot a bad habit.
Brunetto, you're straining credibility by conflating medical marijuana and homosexuality as "bad habits." I said nothing of the sort. If you're really bored, go back and read my Brokeback Mountain column from 2005. My position is pretty clearly supportive of gay rights.
Again, I think you're misunderstanding me.
First, I don't see what being in the same school district does for a kid at one school versus a kid at another. For example, what good does it do for the kid at Melrose that he shares a school district with the kid at White Station? Having a 150,000 student Shelby County district wouldn't change the enrollment at Melrose or Sheffield. They'd be the same school with the same kids.
My point was that it's economically more efficient to NOT have a school district of 110,000 kids like SCS currently (or 150,000 if you did a full Shelby County district). Districts of about 15,000 to 20,000 kids are a lot more efficient. Plus, having smaller regional districts allow each district's residents more opportunity to mold the school system to fit their specific needs/desires.
If you're drawing lines on the existing school district lines anyway, you wouldn't be cutting smart kids out of schools. In fact, I think you'd be doing the opposite.
Today, the SCS policy allows for kids to transfer to Germantown, Ridgeway, White Station, etc. regardless of where they live. The district allows for its best and brightest to pull themselves out of the "bad schools" to use your term. That's not the fault of the suburbs. That's the fault of the Memphis mega-system and its policy. If you drew up 6 districts, the kid from North Memphis won't be pulling himself out of his school to go to White Station. He'll have to go to school in North Memphis with his peers, and therefore his parents and community will have a vested interest in making his local school system the best it can be.
Bruns, I do hope one day the evangelical church can welcome you back into their arms. They just don't know what they lost when they lost you.
Are there any other bad habits and illegal activities that straight liberals believe analogous to homosexual relationships? I've already been assured by evangelicals that it is no more sinful than theft, lying, murder, etc.
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Concentration camps? Really? You know not everybody in public school is poor and private school kids also wear uniforms, right? As a fan of public schools who's made school policy/jail references on many occasions you lost me there. Now "silent lunch" is like watching some all-kid prison movie. But uniforms (being dropped it seems, my Central kids don't wear them) mirrored upper class norms with a weird side effect. Like my twins told me when they were confronted with post uniform life: nobody made fun of the poor kid whose shirt was grubby or who wore the same pair of pants every day -- "we all wore the same pair of pants every day."
"district to be sub-divided into about 6 special school districts"<---GroveReb
It's almost like you read the Brown vs Board decision and were so pissed off you decided to do the exact opposite out of spite.
As a person who went to a "bad" city school (got a full ride to UM with my ACT score. Would have graduated if a journalism degree meant anything. Got a "real" job instead) The teachers at Raleigh Egypt were some of the most inspirational people I have ever met. Coach Peter Bolgeo trained a UFC champion, Quentin Jackson, for crying out loud. Susan Cox consistently refused promotions to higher positions because her visual teaching approach was on a level with power point presentation technology that had not actually been invented yet. Mrs. Hess taught collaborative plan orientated course work with realistic personal goal setting, and lessons from her coursework still resonate with me 20 years later.
City school teachers put up with more for less than anyone. You can't buy that kind of passion.
But if you were there, if you watched it happen with your own eyes, you would know the downfall of a school is when all the "smart" kids leave for "better" schools. Schools that use the exact same textbooks. Schools that have the exact same curricula.
But I watched, I was there, I saw when the whole class realized that if they all united and pretended to be too stupid to understand math, or science, or a foreign language together, no teacher could stand against them. With their leaders gone, there were no smart kids keeping the standards high by being good examples. The cream had been successfully scraped off the top, leaving the bitter dregs behind.
Dregs, who apparently were still masters of collective bargaining techniques used in labor negotiations by the most powerful Unions in the country.
And what happened after that? We were forced behind locked fences that were never locked before. We were forced to go through metal detectors, and have police inside the school. I once had to explain why I was carrying an empty soda can, which is considered drug paraphernalia. After I left, they were even forced to wear uniforms.
Like jews in concentration camps. Uniforms. Like prisoners in a jail. The old MCS schools still do, even after the merger as at least of as of 2014-15. If you want to make a teenager hate school, put him in a douchebag polo shirt his rich friends don't have to wear.
But hey, you're right, I'm just saying all this to be a jerk.
Who is talking about separating the kids, and who said certain kids are dumb, while others are smart?
Regardless of your economic background, there are smart kids and kids who are going to struggle more. That's a fact of life. What makes a "good" school is the ability for kids to learn and get what they need in terms of resources.
Yes, within a school, there are going to be needs to separate out the brightest and those who struggle the most, because those students need special attention in order to get the most out of school.
Also, yes, it's a fact that kids from poorer backgrounds (and this goes for both urban and rural poor) may need programs that kids from middle class backgrounds may not need. For example, pre-K is something most kids from middle class backgrounds either get at home from a stay at home mom, or their parents pay for their pre-schooling.
I don't know what that has to do with separating kids though. My recommendation was to create smaller school districts that can more efficiently serve the needs of the local community. It's a better model, and it allows people with similar backgrounds and similar needs to utilize school resources to maximize the opportunities for their children. Mega-school districts don't efficiently serve anyone.
Michele, no need to put down Carver High School to make your point. That's a low blow and terribly unfair to Carver High students and alums. (For the record, I didn't attend Carver High. Still, it hurts to hear folks who have probably never set foot in the school make gross generalizations about Carver or any other inner-city school.)
Gross distortions aside, I think you are onto something! Perhaps we could just get rid of all of the teachers since you think they are unnecessary. Then the children could just teach each other! This would drive down the cost of education. Perhaps we could spend that money on something else, like a bike path or some extra barriers to keep people off of the grass at the park!
Not only sarcasm.
Gross distortions of what Grove and I posted.
Grove and Apop, you're right.
We need to separate the schools, because they are inherently unequal. Some children are just hopeless, and our tax money is better spent on prisons to provide them with free room and board instead of teaching them to support themselves.
Look, numbers don't lie, am I right?
Most importantly, though, we have to make sure that the smart kids are separate from the dumb kids. That way the smart kids won't learn to be dumb from the dumb kids, because obviously the dumb kids won't learn to be smart from the smart kids. Dumb students learning when they have smart peers to emulate? That's crazy hippy talk.
Look, dumb kids need to go to dumb schools with special administration that only deals with dumb students to keep the dumb concentrated. Preferably we should make the dumb kids wear special dumb uniforms when they go to dumb school, so the smart kids will know to never, ever mix with them. I don't want the dumb vermin to infest the smart schools; then obviously all the smart kids will learn to be dumb.
You know, because that's how education works.
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Grove is correct. I was speaking to the equality of funding rather than the equality of educational result.
He is also correct in his assessment that smaller school systems do seem to be more efficient than larger ones, if the muni experience in the first three years of operation are any indication. That old mantra we heard constantly that 'economies of scale" provide efficiencies in larger school systems turns out not to be true. In business, if the costs being controlled by economies of scale are are inanimate objects, then maybe. But when somewhere around 75% (about 80% in Arlington's case) of a system's expenses are people costs, those economies of scale are non-existent.
I concur with you on a very important point; the need for additional funds for SCS. So many of SCS children need extra services that cost extra money to provide, I think SCS is right that they cannot produce a quality education on what they are getting now.
There is a solution, and the munis are showing the way. Every muni government is kicking in extra money to their respective school system. Every one of them. My numbers might be bit off, but I think that Arlington government kicks in some $650K each year for Arlington schools.
Perhaps the City of Memphis could profit from the muni example and start to provide some funding to SCS.
Is that a possibility? After all, most SCS kids are Memphis kids.
You're assuming that education funding and quality of education provided are correlated, when in fact they're not.
All AP is saying is that SCS gets its fair share of the funding. If you looked at every dollar each resident put in to the state and county taxes, every dollar that goes to education, and then you looked at every dollar the local LEAs received in return for the taxes paid, SCS would be receiving more in return than its residents put into the pot, while the MSDs would be receiving less than its residents put into the pot.
Personally, I think that's fair, because I recognize the need for urban school districts to have a higher funding level per student than the suburban districts need.
By the way, we've actually found that funding for our schools has been more efficient with the smaller districts than we had when we were part of a 40,000 student district. The teachers at my daughter's school now have more freedom to plan and schedule educational field trips. They also have more funding available for that. We have more freedom to tailor special programs to meet the needs/desires of the local community. It's been great thus far.
In my opinion, and I've said this all along, SCS would be wise to petition the state to allow for the district to be sub-divided into about 6 special school districts with each district having more autonomy to address the needs of its residents. That would be a more efficient funding model in my opinion.
"I have not seen any information to show that SCS is not getting every dollar they have coming to them, nor that city residents are not getting a fair shake."
So you're saying SCS are providing an equal quality of education to other LEAs? Because that would have to be the case if SCS is getting a fair shake.
But we both know that's not true.
You can spray all the ink you want to escape in the cloud like a squid if you want, but there's the real nitty gritty, and it's a real mother for ya.
I am "admitting" nothing. I am describing how the schools funding system is set up.
The state is required by the Constitution to administer a system of public education. The mechanisms of funding that system is not in the Constitution, it is set up by an act of the Legislature. The BEP is an enormously complicated computation. But the idea is this: The state participates in funding the schools in every county, but every county has a different ability to also contribute to the funding. Poorer counties with less of a tax base are less able to raise as much property tax money for school funding and the state therefore shoulders a bigger part of their total funding load. Richer counties, such as Shelby, can afford to pay more toward the schools and the state funds them relatively less. However, the state funding provided to any particular county is then distributed to the individual LEAs in that county on a per student basis. SCS gets the lion's share of money because they have the lion's share of students. I cannot speak to the validity of the lawsuit, that is up to the courts to decide.
I have not seen any information to show that SCS is not getting every dollar they have coming to them, nor that city residents are not getting a fair shake. That has been alleged over and over, but no one ever shows any evidence it is even remotely true. You would think the lawyers would have already filed some sort of suit if there were anything to that allegation.
So you're admitting:
1: Education funding comes from the state by constitutional law, and funding from local municipalities is a stop gap measure that should be totally unnecessary if the law were being respected
2: SCS deserves the lion's share of funds because it has the most students
3: A number of local municipalities across the state agree the state is non-compliant with the law, and it's a valid enough argument to get it's day in court.
I doubt SCS is getting a fair deal on the division of funds, but that's fine enough nitpicking that I'll leave it to professional nitpickers.
As long as kids get an educational experience that helps them fit into the machinery of civil life like a gear and not a wrench in the works, I'll be satisfied.
I think we both agree too many kids are growing up to jam the gears.
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The state does not collect property taxes from the city. Only Memphis and Shelby County do that.
The BEP funds each LEA in a particular county differently, based on that county's ability to fund its LEAs. SCS gets more much more than any muni and City is not subsidizing the munis. Several posters over the years have tried to make a case that the distribution of educational funds to the munis is not proportional to the education tax collected in the munis. Without success, but have another go if that floats your boat.
Property taxes are collected by the counties and funded to the LEAs on a per student basis. Each LEA gets its fair share, SCS getting more than anyone else because it has more students.
The lawsuit is about the TOTAL amount the BEP is funding. If the lawsuit wins, the munis will get more money as well, so.....
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