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Re: “It’s Memphis’ Water!

I also didn't mention the Russia hacked the election and power grid fake news. Does this disturb you?

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Posted by Bric-a-Brac on 01/04/2017 at 7:41 PM

Re: “See Ya, 2016: Some Things We Need to Leave Behind

Clyde, you are in luck, poor math skills are coming into vogue.

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Posted by Nick R on 01/04/2017 at 4:51 PM

Re: “See Ya, 2016: Some Things We Need to Leave Behind

Clinton won the popular vote in California. Trump won the popular vote in America. Go Trump Go! 16 more days until America is back on the path to greatness!!!

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Posted by Clyde on 01/04/2017 at 3:59 PM

Re: “It’s Memphis’ Water!

bricabrac, Mullins' comment related to wasting potable water, your cafe comment didn't.

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Posted by Nick R on 01/04/2017 at 12:08 PM

Re: “It’s Memphis’ Water!

It has nothing to do with memphis water and neither does the comment that preceded it. You know, the one about French women flushing with Perrier.

Still, it is true. Women in France have been told not to go to the shops and cafes as doing so might harm the men. No gender mixing.

Posted by Bric-a-Brac on 01/04/2017 at 10:56 AM

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Bricabrac, and women in New York can't go out without a leash.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/missin…
But what does this have to do with Memphis water?
Focus focus focus.

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Posted by Nick R on 01/04/2017 at 8:21 AM

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As for the water and Memphis, I understand that the aquifer below us is about the size of West Virginia, at least.

Not only that, the social structure known as Shelby County is a Constitutionally required entity, whereas the structure known as Memphis is not. This has repercussions in the law and finance. If you want to know more, there are lots of resources from which you can learn more. I'd leave links, but ....

Posted by Bric-a-Brac on 01/04/2017 at 12:44 AM

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I have been told that I shouldn't put up links, Dayn Rand, so you should go to google and search for "French Women told no longer allowed to enter cafes, shops, or go out".

Posted by Bric-a-Brac on 01/04/2017 at 12:40 AM

Re: “It’s Memphis’ Water!

"since a visit to the local cafe seems to be no longer allowed."
???

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Posted by Dayn Rand on 01/03/2017 at 8:57 PM

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The water doesn't belong to Memphis.

The French women aren't allowed to go outside any longer, so they may flush with Perrier as a form of relaxation since a visit to the local cafe seems to be no longer allowed.

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Posted by Bric-a-Brac on 01/03/2017 at 6:50 PM

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Expect continued elbowing over access to potable water; in Memphis' case, really really good water. Do the French flush with Perrier?

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Posted by CL Mullins on 01/03/2017 at 5:16 PM

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How did legal responsibility for this aquifer fall to the county government through their appointed board?

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Posted by Clyde on 01/03/2017 at 2:03 PM

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The idea here that people need to understand is 'opportunity cost'. I'll leave it at that. And I don't agree that the TVA was operating in good faith. Sorry, Scott.

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Posted by OakTree on 01/03/2017 at 12:29 PM

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The rain falling outside is cold.

What's coming down from the high horse you're sitting on @mr.banbury is warm, and smells like ammonia.

Needless to say I won't be drinking it.

The gall of these people, blaming "environmental regulations" to excuse their intentional, knowing fraud to poison the water source of 1.3 million people.

They're claiming they failed to plan, when it's obvious they planned to fail. Will it cost 1.3 million dollars a day to treat that water?

No. But it will generate at least that amount of profit by externalizing that cost to human beings with no other option than to pay it or die of thirst.

If the planners behind this are too inept to get the difficulty of cleaning water correct, why should they be trusted with the power grid?

How much else did they get wrong?

These are smart people. They are highly educated. They are highly qualified. They knew this was the case from the very beginning. They know there is a lot of political will in the area to spite environmental regulation as a job-killer.

Blaming environmental regulations is nothing more than a middle finger to the idea of taking responsibility to be good stewards to the natural resources we have been blessed with.

It's an insult to the intelligence of this community for them to play dumb now.

You know who else refuses to take responsibility for their knowing actions to reduce their culpability? Child abusers, murderers, wife beaters, and rapists. Criminals trying to escape justice.

Which is exactly what the planners of these wells are.

Unless we stop them and force them to keep their promises as written. No changes. No excuses.

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Posted by FUNKbrs on 01/03/2017 at 11:57 AM

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FUNKbrs, the current coal plant uses once through water from McKellar Lake. This is no longer an acceptable solution since regulations were put in place to curb entrainment/impingement of aquatic species that get sucked in to the water intakes. Sierra Club does believe that TVA made a good faith effort to use the grey water from the sewage treatment plant as originally planned. What they found when they analyzed the grey water is that it is extremely high in nutrients--ammonia and phosphates in particular. What's more, the nutrient levels fluctuated dramatically, making chemical treatment very difficult. The high level of nutrients are likely the result of the feed processing operations on Presidents Island, which discharge their waste water to the TE Maxson treatment plant which in turn is allowed to discharge large amounts of nutrients due to the Mississippi River's high assimilative capacity. We believe that the long term solution here is to build a tertiary treatment plant capable of cleaning up enough grey water to meet TVA's needs and perhaps a few other industries on Frank Pidgeon or Presidents Island.

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Posted by Scott Banbury on 01/03/2017 at 9:37 AM

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This is intentional.

I can not possibly over emphasize that the destruction of our clean, cheap, water is intentional.

This plan was originally approved when it planned to treat and recycle river water.

This is bad faith. The planners had no intention of honoring this. They always intended a bait and switch in mid stream, at which point the regulators would be committed and not in a position to withdraw support.

Bottled water is extremely profitable. This is not even the first time Memphis's water was intentionally poisoned to drive people out of the city. A simple stroll through Martyr's Park and reading the signage there is all you need to know about how this water poisoning technique has been used to attack Memphis in the past.

Even at a dollar a gallon, making the tap water undrinkable generates a dollar a day per person.

That's 1.3 million dollars A DAY.

What water supply is the coal plant using? Coal plants require just as much cooling as gas plants. Why can't the coal plant's supply be diverted, especially considering the coal plant is being decommissioned?

The reason is because this is intentional. The reason is because this is planned. The reason is because the plan was always to poison the water. The reason to poison the water the poorest children in the city drink is 1.3 million dollars a day, and to drive the poor out of the city.

This is fraud. The people pushing this plan are criminals. Everyone responsible for this should be charged with the fraud that they have committed and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law as example to others.

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Posted by FUNKbrs on 01/03/2017 at 9:16 AM

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@Reid Hampton - Yeah, no. They could always have booted it up the chain, or asked for further guidance. See, the thing is, behaving like Pontius Pilate is never the right thing to do. When you are presented with a situation where the law is ignoring an injustice, and you can clearly see and apprehend the problem, then simple ethics requires DOING THE RIGHT THING, despite whatever the current state of the law might be on the matter.

Law can be, and frequently is, changed, when an unimagined problem affects society in a new and unpredicted way. Such is the case of our threatened Memphis Sand aquifer today. It must be protected. End of.

Mealy-mouthed apologetics don't get it. And neither does gratuitous partisanship. It seems like there are people from both sides of the political spectrum getting interested in this clean water issue. So leave the scurrilous accusations out of the discussion please.

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Posted by OakTree on 01/02/2017 at 5:54 PM

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DatGuy- The board did what the law required them to do in this case, not what they felt was necessarily the right thing to do. I think it had been reported some time back that they wanted to deny the permits, but just did not have any legal reason to do so. That's why they are working with the Sierra Club to come up with a better, more transparent process.

A number of utilities around the US are similarly replacing their coal plants with gas. Another less local problem that this all leads to is that energy companies will try to use this increased demand for gas as an excuse to push more and more fracking on the public, pretending that's the only way they can meet demand. Republican congressmen will certainly accept this as factual from 'respected industry officials' and allow them to use hydraulic fracturing wherever they want and poison the groundwater with solvents and VOCs, all proven cancer causers to boot.

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Posted by Reid Hampton on 01/02/2017 at 5:24 PM

Re: “See Ya, 2016: Some Things We Need to Leave Behind

You see schools out today, Brichy knows that, what don't you!!!

Posted by :) on 01/02/2017 at 2:39 PM

Re: “See Ya, 2016: Some Things We Need to Leave Behind

Panhandlers? That reminds me: If the rumors are correct, 2017 is the year the Democrat party dies.

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Posted by Bric-a-Brac on 01/02/2017 at 1:17 PM

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