Earlier you indicated that the teams were Obama vs Trump, or alternatively GOP vs Dem. Now is your team of incorruptibles vs all the corruptibles.
Since you are incorruptible you get to decide that everyone else is wrong.
So, it you the Jesus vs all the sinners?
I don't have a team in this hunt. For me, I think leaks regarding misdeeds of our politicians are always a good thing.
Go all the way back to Watergate. I don't care which party you are, I want any of your corruption to be exposed by any kind of whistle-blower that's out there. I don't care what team you play for or whether I voted for you or not. Right is right. Wrong is wrong, and I want wrong exposed in our politicians whenever possible.
The larger problem at play here is that most people who do have a "team" tend to consume their news from news sources that lean their direction. That means they're watching CNN or Fox, but not both. They're reading Huffington Post or Breitbart, but not both.
That's why you get people who can take very similar issues and construe them as dramatically different based on minor circumstances surrounding them. The predictable response will be that the difference in circumstances is not minor, because the news source you like tells you that it's much worse for Party X. I'm telling you that the difference in circumstances doesn't really matter. Leaks are leaks. Exposing corruption is exposing corruption. That's regardless of the source, the methodology, or most importantly, the party being impacted.
Your point seemed to be that all views are nothing more than "team spirit". Given this, you telling me that your point has been proved is nothing more than team spirit, and, in your on view has no meaning other than that.
Cowboys and Indians!
Thanks for helping to prove my point Bric.
Oaktree, that's only your opinion as to what you saw.
Did you know that there's so much rice in Arkansas, that they have to keep it in huge grain silos? It's true. I've seen them.
Did you know that Rice spelled backwards is Ecir?
Did you know that Susan Rice is married to an executive producer at ABC?
Also, there is this to consider: http://bit.ly/2nHYK58
Well, I guess I could have worded that much better, but I think I made myself clear enough.
When the Obama team states that they were worried that the Trump team was trying to "undermine American policy" what could the Obama team mean but that this whole thing is political. Policy isn't law. Sanctions aren't law. An incoming administration can change policy, and may even lead with its chin. After all, The Obama team told the Medvidev team to pass a message on to the Putin team that after the 2012 election cycle that the Obama team would have more leeway on Nuclear Weapon dealz.
Now, that would be similar. What we see here isn't that.
BaBs, you're right about this one. My outrage meter has been pegged too many times for it to work right anymore. It needs standardization against a normal representative government for a while, without any insider shenanigans. Either side.
And Vladimir Putin knows all this has been getting worse for years. So does Xi Jinping. But while Putin is laughing at the tawdriness of these expose's, Xi is aghast that any civilized country behaves this way.
Merkel is hopeful it doesn't get so bad that NATO and the EU fall apart.
It's not looking too promising, as the Swamp Monsters wrestle over control of Washington.
Similar? How so? Her server isn't government property and had no secret information (information collected by our National security services for national security reasons) on it. She has said so herself.
Said information was hackz by ru$$ians. She said so herself.
OTOH, the information that was released by someone in our government (leaked) was not on a hackz server. It was just leaked.
How are these similar?
Let's keep it simple then.
Was it bad when the NSA leaked information about Trump and his ties to the Russians?
Was it bad when Wikileaks, likely with help from the Russians and encouragement from the Trump campaign, leaked emails from Hillary's server?
I think they're both very similar situations. I'm curious if you think one much worse than the other.
It's all Cowboys and Indians.
Brichy, are you sure it was only 7 times?
So, what you are trying to tell me is that "leaks", "hackz", "shady characters" and selling information to the Chinese is all really the same thing, and anyone that thinks they aren't the same thing is kinda like those people that, when they heard Burger King announce the invention of the Left Handed Burger by spinning the tomato 360 degrees showed up to either buy a Left Handed Wopper, or maybe they are like those people that showed up to protest that there was no Right Handed Wopper, but it doesn't matter anyway because it's Woppers all the way down. Or may Turtles. Cowboys and Indians?
Whatever, you say it doesn't matter and I shouldn't worry about it. That I'm stupid to think that I should. That you got the real deal and the rest is false consciousness!
Did I wrap my head around things as viewed by you? Did I grok the matrices of your way? Or maybe it's the high way (wink wink nod nod)?
Right now I'm going to get my copy of 1984 and re-read it. I think I must have missed something the first 7 times I read that book.
Maybe this is why the drainage in those areas mysteriously gets really bad sometimes, even though the sewers are pretty well laid out. Who would have thought... Beavers...
She gets around, that one.
More evidence her mind is in the gutter?
I know this may show a bit of my 'neck, but them things are good eatin'.
The R's have decided to gut the federal government because they know it's Federal oversight that's preventing them from turning america into a highly profitable 3rd world sweat shop country.
If you want to study how weak federal governments work, just look at Africa and South America.
That's what we're going to end up like if we don't reign this in.
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