OTP wrote: In order to get highly qualified, motivated people...
I agreed with him! I think all BOE members should be highly qualified accordin gto the definitions and standards set by the state.
And he's still arguing with himself. What's worse is that he cannot seem to stop contradicting himself either.
Posted by oldtimeplayer:
"The annexations were due to getting back those people that fled the city but still benefitted from the services of Memphis."
They've wised up to that also. Next stop for those folks is an incorporated muni, or over the county line.
The days of playing that game are done. Memphis will continue to shrink taxpayers. The explosive growth in Desoto and Fayette counties should give you a clue as to the future.
So, it is clear. Most of the people of Memphis don't want the Memphis government to govern their lives. That explains things. A lot of things.
Best argument I've heard against consolidation of the schools or city/county! All day!
Y'all have a good day now! Ya hear!
Chuck your balls. Nick Young is great!!
Maybe that is one of the city’s biggest problems. Instead of focusing on “getting back those people that fled the city”, maybe civic leaders should have spent more time understanding why residents were leaving and what could be done to address those issues. Trying to recapture a mobile population is an enormous waste of time and money and a race that simply cannot be won.
Good game tigers, revenge is sweeter in the elite 8.
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You guys have made some huge assumptions regarding the decline in enrollment in public schools, all to support your larger message of the city’s overall decline. Some neighborhoods within the city have and continue to see a decline in their population. However, this in and of itself does not lead to a decline in enrollment. Demographic shifts play a much larger role. In neighborhoods where homeowner turnover is limited, individuals that may have had 1-3 children upon arrival have chosen to age in place. Combine that with an economy that has seen nearly stagnant growth in middle and upper-middle class incomes and you have a situation where those that are most likely to have children cannot afford to supplant older residents in more established and more valuable areas of the existing city. In addition, those born since 1980 are showing a definite trend of marrying later in life and having fewer children. Thus as a neighborhood’s average age increases, the number of children per household decreases resulting in fewer potential pupils. The conversation also entirely ignores the proliferation and growth of the private education option which draws heavily upon residents within the city that chose such alternatives. As a VERY general rule, first time buyers are more likely to produce children due to both their age and their potential income and the entry of these individuals into the market has traditionally been steered toward new, affordable housing product. Also as a general rule, such housing options are limited to green field development which is more or less regulated to the ever expanding suburban fringe.
An area can be witness to an overall decrease in population, but an increase in school age children just as an increase in overall population can be accompanied by a decrease in the need for classroom space.
The annexations were due to getting back those people that fled the city but still benefitted from the services of Memphis. No major city would let people flee from their city and park just outside of the city limits without annexing them. Cities like Chicago closed off the boundary of Chicago and protected outlying areas through their legislature over 50 years ago. Tennessee could have done the same, but they didn't.
So, actually the vast majority of the people that fled Memphis is back in Memphis. The suburbs growth came mostly from migration from Memphis, not from elsewhere in the U. S. The same will happen to Germantown and the rest of the munis. They will fill up within the city limits and will either have to annex or end up with very little or no growth.
So, a net lost of 3600 people from the census of 2000, to 2010 is not bad at all.
Memphis does not try to tell the muni governments what to do, so, they should butt out of Memphis' government.
been watching Joe since we were classmates at (now ranked 7th nationally!) WSHS - loved the last play call. agree with jgreen. yes he could've dished but he's been hot in the lane since forever, from either hand.
“I don’t know how I got to where I am,” Levien said.
I am sure fans are saying the same thing.
They need more, tell your grandkids you thank them, but you wish they would do something for Toys For Tots or another worthy Charity. It doesn't have to be Christ or religion related to teach them.
Posted by oldtimeplayer:
"We, the citizens of Memphis don't try to mix into the affairs of Bartlett, Cordova, etc, why would they want to mix into the affairs of Memphis?"
HUH??? You just got through with your unsuccessful attempted hijacking of all their public schools.
Fortunately, these folks are well wised up to the Memphis shenanigans, and squelched this recent effort to reduce their standard of living immediately.
Pastner absolutely made the right choice for the last play. Joe had been driving the lane all 2nd half & getting the calls; this one just didn't fall & the refs swallowed their whistles. Sometimes it just goes like that.
Chris was open, but he's streaky. Going with Joe for the 2 & the foul was a more likely scenario.
Yes, the schools being empty are a result of Memphis losing population in the form of not gaining population at the rate everyone around them has.
The US is about 35% larger than it was in 1980 in terms of population. The greater Memphis area experienced similar growth to the US average. Memphis city's population, however, is stagnant over that same period. As Memphis city grew from within, people left the city at a fast enough rate that Memphis city never saw the growth.
As Memphis annexed new area, the number of people that Memphis would annex would leave the area, creating an opportunity for population shift within the new Memphis borders. There are blighted neighborhoods now in parts of Memphis, and it's those blighted neighborhoods with no population density that drive the school closures.
So yes, you can claim the population is the same as it was in 1980, or maybe 1% larger, but that is the result of the city growing from within at a faster rate and losing population at the same rate as its experienced growth.
I love how Donovan in the post game interview, just like Ford from OSU, was quick to discuss how badly Florida played, but gave no credit to Memphis at all. Although the stats and the game showed how hard fought and evenly matched the game was, the coach speak when you play Memphis close or lose is to talk about how bad you played. It couldn't possibly have been because you just played a good team.
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School board members and other elected officials of government are not applying for a private job. They are applying for a public position to represent the people that live within their district. For some positions, there are minimum state qualifications that a candidate must have, AG, Judges, etc. This is because these positions require specific knowledge in the areas of law. School board members have, at their fingertips, experts in any field that is needed. The members themselves do no have to be experts. The same for city councilmen, Mayors, County Commissioners, etc. Hell, even candidate for federal offices, House of Representitives, Senator and even President don't have to have a specified educational or managerial expertise to hold that office.
So, when you say that if we had highly qualified individuals in these positions, maybe a pay raise would be in order. If that was the case, then their would be no need to be a democratic republic. In public office, one is doing the bidding of the people that elected them, they are not elected to actually perform the nuts and bolts, but, they can and should hire competent people to actually do the research and to carry out policy.
The school board members oversee the school district, so, they go out and hire a director of schools who should have the technical expertise in running the day to day operation of the school district. The school board members set policy according to the dictates of state law and the wishes of those that elected them, it is the job of the director of schools to correctly and legally implement that policy.
Let us not lose good people because they have to worry about how to feed and take care of their family first. There are some good people that want to serve, have excellent ideas, etc, but, they can't afford to serve. That is why our school board members deserve to be adequately compensated.
The closure of schools is not the result of the city losing population, it is more the fault of less children per family and the movement of blacks from certain areas to the eastern and southeaster corridors. According to the U. S. Census, Memphis has not lost population, it has actually gained. The annexations had nothing to do with the school population because those areas that were annexed already had schools then and they are still at capacity today.
As the need grows for closing schools in southwest and other parts of south and inner city Memphis, the schools in Fox Meadows, Hickory Hills are overcrowded. It is not an overall loss of population but the shifting of population. You must remember that some or most of the schools slated for closure have been around for over 50 years. Back then, the average size of a family was also larger.
It is really disgusting when people that live outside of Memphis write about things they have no direct knowledge about or people that live in some of the munis are no better off than the middle class neighborhoods of Memphis. Compare the median home price for Bartlett, Millington to Memphis. These munis are not that exclusive. Germantown and Lakeland and a large part of Collierville, one can say is exclusive. It is also funny that these exclusive muni's don't dwell on knocking Memphis. We, the citizens of Memphis don't try to mix into the affairs of Bartlett, Cordova, etc, why would they want to mix into the affairs of Memphis?
The school closures are the fruit of the labor of running people out of the city over the years. A city is no different than a business in that it has to market itself to its customers (residents/potential residents). When you fail at marketing yourself, you lose customers to competitors (suburbs/other metro areas).
Yes, in a democracy, the majority rules, but in a local government, the majority would always be wise to consider heeding at least some of the minority's concerns, to avoid losing that population and tax base.
In each of the neighborhoods that will lose a school, it's happening because past residents wanted out of that neighborhood. Those residents were afforded a way out of that neighborhood because other residents in other parts of the city chose to leave the city, opening up the opportunity for a trickle down of movement.
Ultimately, the annexation strategy is to blame, because the city continually chose to chase after those that decided to leave the city with annexations rather than trying to chase after them by improving the product offering within the city. With those annexations, those that didn't want to be a part of the city left, which meant that you now had the same population in a larger area, and the trickle down movement left the least desirable neighborhoods empty.
It's unfortunate, but the school closings are the result of 30 years of bad government decisions.
That's why I still believe the best move for Memphis would be to retrench, deannex, and try to rebuild the core of the city. Keep most of North Memphis, South Memphis, along with Downtown, Midtown, and East Memphis, so you can utilize the wealthier tax base to rejuvenate the other areas starting with downtown and them moving into North and South Memphis.
Then, you may start attracting population growth within a smaller cost base. If done successfully, you may have nearby areas proposing Memphis annex them, so they can be a part of the area. It's probably too late for that, and it'll never happen, but the urban sprawl is killing the city financially.
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