I think the main issue for me, is that the actual impact and effect of current law, is to tip people who might otherwise be at least marginally productive, and thus contributing to the tax base, into a spiral that leaves them unproductive, and instead a drain on public resources. It's a waste, more or less. And I wouldn't be so quick to assume that Norris can't see this. He's a pretty bright fellow.
Yes, I think we were both thinking along the same lines. I don't think Memphis will have the likes of Norris in their corner on this issue. That said, I would personally like the state to be more progressive and allow for citizens to possess a small amount of marijuana (e.g. not for re-sale, not driving high, etc).
"I'm with CL here. I believe what black people tell me in regards to police relations, by and large. Of course, sometimes people lie and make shit up. But then, so do police, and they know, generally, they can get away with it.'
No argument from me.
My perceptions are the same as yours, that relations are pretty poor. The police and the black community do have some serious trust issues, and neither side is blameless. I also think you are right that the police can tend to get away with bullshit while the average black person cannot. Unless they have the funds to hire good lawyers, in which case race does not matter that much. CL and had a great conversation last week about the effect of TV and smart phone cameras. I will bet that in the Tulsa case now in the news, without those TV cameras, the gentleman killed would have been accused of "lunging" at the policewoman or some such. Works the other way too, of course.
Not retired, just self. And if I lived in Franklin I'd be checking the deadbolts on my doors.
All I can add to this generally very well reasoned discussion is puff puff give.
I'm surprised they haven't written in to complain about the quality of the photo. It's not flattering at all.
" is probably a function of those young black men coming into contact with law enforcement more often than another group. As opposed to the laws being more strictly enforced against them."
I'm with CL here. I believe what black people tell me in regards to police relations, by and large. Of course, sometimes people lie and make shit up. But then, so do police, and they know, generally, they can get away with it.
The whole reason why marijuana was classified as a hard drug in the first place back in the 1920's was because (and this is a matter of record) minorities like black people were believed to be using it much more than good white folks. Marijuana use has negative implications, but on the whole, it does FAR less damage than does alcohol. Every argument used against legalization of MJ is an argument twice over for making alcohol illegal.
Considering your intelligence I would have to guess you are often unwilling to assume anything not happening within your presence and your personal experience is at least of late, may have been quite sheltered. So I respect your opinions with that caveat.
I have personally experienced racial inequality in the use of police discretion more than once or twice and that personal experience may color my opinions as well. I am also willing to believe what my black friends tell me.
I am quite capable of expressing my own beliefs without your help, thanks.
But since you chose to comment, it should have been clear to you that my issue with the Council passing any ordnance on marijuana possession is not strict enforcement against one portion of the population or the other, nor whether the new ordinance would promote more racial justice.
I have no idea whether the police choose to use their powers of discretion toward any race more than another. My guess is that if the possession laws are more often enforced against young black men, it is probably a function of those young black men coming into contact with law enforcement more often than another group. As opposed to the laws being more strictly enforced against them. But that is merely my guess, based on an assumption that police officers do not like having to appear in court any more than the rest of us.
The only problem I have with the Councils action is that they do not have the authority to change state law, and if they persist, there will be blowback with consequences.
I love it how Apop is constantly pointing out how corrupt police help keep crime rates low by looking the other way when minor crimes are committed by good ol' boys that don't mean no harm.
Now of course he believes in strict enforcement for them "types" he don't cotton to, yessir.
Don't stand up for the song, get vilified, stand up with your hands in the air, get shot to death.
Now really, why would TN legislators want to keep what could be a free pain medication illegal.
castra in hysteria, et nutritur per hyperbolen,
I think Tennessee has a new state motto.
Of course the police have discretion. Ever gotten a warning for a traffic violation instead of a fine?
So does every other law enforcement agency.
Every prosecutor, too. (See the DOJ regarding Hillary Clinton)
Shocked that there are no complaints down here. Have we all finally come together to agree to a solution? Or is it simply no one saw this article? :-)
Pop, Memphis isn't trying to change the state law, just giving the police an option, because actually the police don't have discretion. They take discretion, at their whim, as you have testified, but nowhere in the law is it allowed and doing so is technically illegal. Memphis is making that discretion kindasorta ok. And the ordinance wouldn't affect state or federal law enforcement at all.
You want to see the law change, but that law is entrenched in hysteria and nurtured with hyperbole, and has a lot of big Tennessee money supporting it (see CCA) (aside: I'd be curious to know how much Spike Lamberth gets from them each year), and you do what you can, you chip away at it gradually until the culture shifts. It's already shifting. Things in Cottonmouth TN are just behind the times. Those small towns really do depend on things like rousting their poorer residents for fines just to keep their police departments afloat, and they're probably still a little sore about Memphis and Nashville opposition to 'game bird' fighting, so we can understand if Rep Lamberth would like to exploit this opportunity to divert highway funds from Memphis to pave his driveway.
No it was not.
It was a white Arlingtonian caught in Memphis.
I was involved in that process. What we recognized from the beginning was that the state ( specifically the Legislature and the Department of Education) were the entities empowered under the state constitution to set education policy and make the laws regarding its structure.
We recognized that the individual municipalities did not have the right to determine that for ourselves.
The campaign to change the law and establish our own education systems was rooted in convincing legislators to see it our way.
The Memphis City Council may profit from our example.
To be fair, we did a pretty good job of getting the state to see it our way regarding municipal schools, although one could argue that it wasn't on a whim nor were we directly empowered to do so.
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