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Re: “Schools Budget "best we could do" says Superintendent

Julius

BTW, any remaining debt on those buildings will remain with Shelby County as a whole, and not be passed to the Munis.

State law.

Those are public buildings, the debt issued by the SCC. It stays with the SCC as long as those buildings are used for the purpose for which they were built.

The muns will not "own" the buildings in the ussal sense, just like the Shelby County BOE does not own the buildings in the usual sense. The buildings are ADMINISTERED by the local LEA for the ducation of the children they serve. That will be us.

Common law says so:

Prescott v. Town of Lennox
Baker v. East Baton Rouge

There are NO court cases that say otherwise, and the Tennessee Supreme Court decision in Prescott is still the law in Tennessee. Opponets might try to make the case that the facts of both these cases are so different that these laws do not apply here, but that is a lost cause. Read them and decide for yourself.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/17/2013 at 10:38 AM

Re: “Future Planning

Jeff, I am probably more pagan than I would like to believe being born and raised in America and educated in government funded public schools. However, we were talking about the archangel Raphael so if you want to sound intelligent for a change, try to stay on course in biblical or scriptural expressions and use your vast knowledge of pagan trivia around those that enjoy the more demonic aspects of modern paganism.

Besides, most pagan comparisons to Christianity and Judaism were established by “atheist progressives” in their never ending attack to discredit Christians and sway the masses away from righteous behavior and closer to the Godless community that enjoys despair, poverty and suffering.

Your comment was intresting in that trivial way.

Posted by B_Broadhead on 05/17/2013 at 10:38 AM

Re: “Schools Budget "best we could do" says Superintendent

No Julius, there is nothing wrong with it.

There is nothing wrong with an incorporated city taxing itself to pay for whatever service level they want, and in many cases, that'll mean that city will have better service than the cities nearby.

That's why people have freedom of mobility. You can pick your city based on the taxes oh want to pay and the service you want to receive. There is nothing wrong with that whatsoever.

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Posted by GroveReb84 on 05/17/2013 at 10:27 AM

Re: “Schools Budget "best we could do" says Superintendent

@OTP

Has that constitutional challenge to the new law been filed yet?

Seems like the Supreme Court ruling in Martinez settled that issue of disparate impact.

We are waiting for all those legal challenges from the Department of Education and the Justice Department, or from parents, or the SCC, or whoever.

If we need to litigate the buildings and equipment issue, we will. But I think we will not have to do that.

Waiting...............

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/17/2013 at 10:27 AM

Re: “Animal Advocacy Group Plans Protest Against Memphis Animal Services

Basically, all they care about is getting their paycheck (as one employee told his supervisor when he refused to help a customer).

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Posted by 1 Voice on 05/17/2013 at 10:25 AM

Re: “Hunger Monkey Food Truck: "Healthy Food for Hungry People"

I think that it is great for an entrepreneur to be able to identify a target market (vegans/vegetarians) and pull together their many resources (finding a ready made food truck) to make it happen. It is not only vital to the success of the business but also the targeted customer that the food truck operator had completed ample research in order to have the ability to cater to that particular customer.

This usually leads the customer to believe "hey, this food truck was made just for me", which allows for a lifetime customer and social media follower.

www.truckfoodfinds.com/food-truck-customer.html

Posted by Lakeisha on 05/17/2013 at 10:21 AM

Re: “The Comparison of Detroit and Memphis, Again

@Progressive

Alas and alack, Memphians cannot just vote and dissolve their city. State law will not permit that.

I don't know what the response would be from the suburbs if you de-annex, why don't you give it a try and see? OTP says the majority in Memphis can do anything lawfully they want, so do it.

Do it for the long term health of your city, for your own welfare if for no other reason. By all means, start with Whitehaven, Raleigh or Hickory Hill if you want. OK with us.

I do agree that the health of Memphis should be concern to all and that the suburbs have a huge stake in that. So when are your leaders going to stop fighting us?

You want cooperation? Show us some. You want consolidation? Try making your self worth consolidating with.

Might start by asking the SCC to stop calling us racists. That is not the way to help your cause.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/17/2013 at 10:14 AM

Re: “The Comparison of Detroit and Memphis, Again

Jeff

Got it. We need some kind of sarcasm indicator on the board. Hard to read that intent in the written word. I am certainly open to some sort of standard if you got one in mind.

i am also a bit unsure what is meant by Anglo-Saxon. I appreciate the term is generally used to describe England, the Scots,I rish and Welsh usually being described as Celtic. As far as I know, the Angles, Jutes and Saxons had all migrated to southern England by the 5th or 6th century and the only modern country properly described as "Anglo-Saxon" is England.

But the term appears to be often applied to northwestern Europe as a whole, excluding France and Germany.

So I don't know. I found it curious that our ignorant friend claimed that the Jews had been expelled fron seven Anglo Saxon countries. I don't know of seven such "Anglo Saxon"countries that did that, nor when.

As far as I know, all new immigrants are treated with some suspicion and distrust when they arrive in a new country. It passes as they integrate into the community, so I just don't think there is any evidence that the English, who were here first, engaged in some sort of systematic discrimination against other national groups. Whcih would have been a bit silly since the French helped us win our revolution and the Dutch loaned us large sums to keep the county solvent. Not to speak of the Germans, Dutch and free Blacks who filled the ranks. No need to speak of Von Steuben and Kosciusko
either.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/17/2013 at 10:04 AM

Re: “The Comparison of Detroit and Memphis, Again

Understandable, considering how difficullt it is to mock the stupidity around here sometimes. There's is nothing I can say in jest that some idiot won't double-down in complete seriousness.

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Posted by Jeff on 05/17/2013 at 10:01 AM

Re: “The Comparison of Detroit and Memphis, Again

@Jeff

Got it. We need some kind of sarcasm indicator on the board. Hard to read that intent in the written word. I am certainly open to some sort of standard if you got one in mind.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/17/2013 at 9:43 AM

Re: “The Comparison of Detroit and Memphis, Again

If Memphis deannexed everything outside the I-240 loop, I can imagine the hue and cry from county government and the suburbs on how Memphis is "abandoning their responsibility." Then they would go to their homies in the state legislature and get them to pass some law forbidding Memphis from deannexing the areas because of the unfair burden of services it would place on county government. They might consent to the deannexation of Cordova (at least while it is still predominantly white and suburban), but they wouldn't accept the rest of Frayser, Whitehaven, Westwood, Raleigh and Hickory Hill. Ultimately, because suburban residents are so unalterably opposed to consolidation, they have a responsibility to work together with Memphis to come up with a comprehensive plan for making Memphis sustainable. Otherwise, the inevitable day is coming when Memphis' leaders will propose disincorporation, stating "We simply do not have the funds to continue." And as we have already seen with the schools, the voters of Memphis might well decide in a referendum to dissolve their city.

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Posted by progressivememphis on 05/17/2013 at 9:42 AM

Re: “Schools Budget "best we could do" says Superintendent

First off, OTP, ... many of the buildings will follow the students to the MSD's, along with the associated debt. Those are likely the newer buildings which will have the most debt attached to them.

It's far past time that the feasibility of every event should revolve around the "alleged" impact it will have on "minority" students. It's far past time the
"big majority minority" take responsibility for themselves and quit whining and depending on someone else to do for them what they should be doing for themselves, ... like, raising their kids properly.

One of the major reasons people decide to purchase property and reside in a certain area is the quality of the schools their kids will be attending. They are prepared to shoulder that cost when they make that decision. In most cases, it will cost them much more than if they had remained in the urban municipality. That's ok with them, as long as it's reflected in the level of service they receive.

Most states do not have the counties responsible for the education function, it is a municipal responsibility. In New York, for instance, your municipal property taxes can vary dramatically for adjacent municipalities depending on the level of service the citizens in each have decided to fund for themselves, ... including the schools.

In other words, you pay for what you receive.

This is what the proposed munis want also. Is there something wrong with this?

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Posted by JuliusJones on 05/17/2013 at 9:40 AM

Re: “Animal Advocacy Group Plans Protest Against Memphis Animal Services

Thank you, Bianca, for covering the rally. Our community can surely find a vet to work for 87K a year who won't ignore the suffering of an animal in her care. I know there are lots of dogs there. I know they are busy. But a dog with an embedded collar is surely in pain and should be able to be treated within a reasonable amount of time. That is not too much to ask from a city-tax paid, medical professional employee. Mr. Mayor has made no comment? We see how he keeps his promise of worst to first.

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Posted by Mary Marjorie Weber Marr on 05/17/2013 at 9:28 AM

Re: “The Comparison of Detroit and Memphis, Again

Sarcasm, Pop. I was addressing America's famous exclusive concern for Anglo-Saxon countries, when we let them be invaded and bombed by Germany for multiple years in two wars before finally getting involved.

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Posted by Jeff on 05/17/2013 at 9:11 AM

Re: “Schools Budget "best we could do" says Superintendent

Diogenes323

There are no facts to accept yet about the municipal schools option. Yes, the law is on the books, however, it has been challenged in court and that must be sorted out.

The expense of starting a msd, not to mention buildings and/or equipment has not even begun yet. It is obvious that some of the munis will not be able to support their own school district on top of the 8 dollar property tax rate.

What you, Diogenes and others don't quite grasp is the challenge to the state law about the disparate effect it would have on the mostly minority unified school district. The article on the Detroit Schools touched on it, but no-one seem to have noticed. Michigan has a funding scheme just like Tennessee. Schools are funded by the number of students enrolled. When and if those students leave the district, the funding follows the student, however, the cost of maintaining the schools, buildings, maintenance, equipment, etc goes up or remains the same. Since mostly minority students would be left in the unified schools, loss of that funding along with the white students(social and/or physcological effect) would have a disparate impact on the minority students. The General Assembly passed the law. It is assumed that the legislators realized what disparate effect this law would have on the minority students of Shelby County, but passed it anyway. So, just because the state made the law to apply statewide doesn't automatically mean that it is constitutional. They have erred many times in the past with laws that were statewide. What would happen to the minority students in the other counties, Knox, Davidson, Hamilton, if the suburban munis decide to form their own msds too? I would suspect that it will have a more harmful effect than in Shelby County. Baker, Donelson are no fools. This case is not over by a long shot if the CC continues it.

So, to you, Oaktree and others, this may not be as cut and dry as you would have us believe.

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Posted by Oldtimeplayer on 05/17/2013 at 9:08 AM

Re: “The Comparison of Detroit and Memphis, Again

@Jeff

Pretty sure that Germany declared war on the United States, not the other way around.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/17/2013 at 9:08 AM

Re: “The Comparison of Detroit and Memphis, Again

@OTP

What Anglo-Saxon principles do you have in mind? I have never heard of any Anglo-Saxon "principles" and I sure want to know more about those. What should we say to those French settlers in Louisiana and the Illinois country who were here at the time? Should we ignore the Dutch who settled upstate New York? Or are they included in your tribal analysis as Anglo Saxons? What about the Germans who settled in Pennsyvania? They Anglos also?

Bullshit, as usual from you when you get way over your head.

i also want to know more about all that horrible discrimination by Anglo Saxons against their fellow white citizens of other national descents. Because I think you are just making that up, too.

What prime areas are on Memphis radar that makes them annex Cordova first? Is Memphis about to be hemmed in there? Are they about to be hemmed in if they don't annex Southwind?

More bullshit. Memphis wants the tax money.

Tell me more about this payroll tax stopping annexations. i thought you just said annexation was not about the money. LOL!

As far as I can tell, no one is stopping Memphis from doing anything lawful. What did you have in mind, exactly?

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/17/2013 at 8:59 AM

Re: “Benghazi Syndrome

And what do you call those who have an irrational and absolutely rabid dislike for GWB? It's been my experience that the first person to throw out the race card is the racist.

Posted by CEBorst on 05/17/2013 at 8:48 AM

Re: “Corky's Founder Don Pelts Passes Away

A Sad day, indeed. I used to work for the family's furniture store, "Donald Furniture Store" back I the early 1970s and have to say Don was always the gentleman, even at that young age. He will truly be missed.

Posted by Jan Mallett Strong on 05/17/2013 at 8:30 AM

Re: “The Comparison of Detroit and Memphis, Again

Which is why America declared war on Germany the minute (plus or minus a couple of years) they occupied France and bombed England.

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Posted by Jeff on 05/17/2013 at 8:27 AM

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