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Re: “All Hands On Deck

Ohhh Mikey,
That's what they said to Moses

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Posted by CL Mullins on 12/02/2016 at 9:28 AM

Re: “All Hands On Deck

Oak,
"mind-numbingly stupid" Is there an emoji for that, looks like we're gonna need it.

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Posted by CL Mullins on 12/02/2016 at 9:26 AM

Re: “All Hands On Deck

@dat ...

Yiou don't understand the job of "president" very well do you? President of the US or a company or your life, even. It is not to actually "do" all the work (I mean, what person can do everything, really) but to see that it gets done. Sigh. Trump doesn't drive the limo's, or man the slot machines, deal the cards, clean the rooms, cut the golf course grass, etc. .... I mean, really?

"most of his spare time" and "daily potential" are not true. Unprovable and frankly just whining and hoping.

If you don't accept the fallacy of the statements then I can't help you. And no, there is no Easter Bunny either ....

@CL - don't care for your comments ever so seldom read them. Just so you know, I see the geezer handle and I pass it ... I saw my name at the top so I thought I would share that with you ....

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Posted by Mike 1 on 12/02/2016 at 9:21 AM

Re: “Cohen Introduces Amendment to Scrap Electoral College

I think the concern that comes with that is that a President could make a bunch of urban-centered promises and win the election. Then he could completely ignore the non-major urban cities and simply govern to those major cities and get re-elected doing it.

That may not have been the original concern when the electoral college was created, but it's a big one now. Believe it or not, those fly-over states are pretty important in this country. That's where a lot of our food and cotton for our clothing is produced. It would be bad if the country was set up in a way where they could just be completely ignored.

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Posted by GroveReb84 on 12/02/2016 at 9:15 AM

Re: “All Hands On Deck

Arguing that somebody ought not have the opinion that they do, is mind-numbingly stupid. Human beings are easily fooled primates, possessing an inappropriately high regard for their own prejudices and biases. We tend to let these opinions loose periodically, masquerading as fact. Friends, and those who love us, will let that slide most of the time, because well, we all have them, and our unique idiosyncrasies are really what makes us who we are. But trying to argue a primate down out of their tree, when they are determined to hoot and holler about something, just makes them angry, and then they tend to throw excrement. Which is nasty.

So whether you agree with Bruce on this or not, be polite, and leave him alone. When you get to be an editor, you get to hoot through your own megaphone. It's part of the job description. And he does a pretty fine job of keeping all the rest of us shiftless monkeys intellectually occupied, most of the time, so I don't much care about a few places where we disagree.

Thank you, Mr. VanWyngarden, for bringing up the jail thing. I agree 100%. I am sympathetic to your other concerns as well. Even if I may have a bone or two to pick about them. Keeping us all thinking about what's going on around here is why I tune in. You're doing a fine job of that. Fine indeed.

The rest of y'all have a great day. Looks like it's gonna be a beautiful one.

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Posted by OakTree on 12/02/2016 at 9:12 AM

Re: “Cohen Introduces Amendment to Scrap Electoral College

Grove,
It was my understanding the electoral college was put in place to attract the slave holding economies into a union with the North. Same logic behind the Three-Fifths Compromise. Both deals usurped the one man (forget about women, blacks, property-less white and Indians) one vote ideal. So to some degree the intent has flipped (as is common in American politics) and given increased leverage to a few of the parenthesized group.
I think that eliminating the electoral college might force national elections to cater to the majority opinion and in that process force leaders to lead voters into a compromise involving shared interests of the disparate groups.
Or maybe Dianne Feinstein would be President.

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Posted by CL Mullins on 12/02/2016 at 9:04 AM

Re: “Rep. Ellison, Frontrunner in DNC Race, to be Honored Here

APop,
Why you bitch!

Posted by CL Mullins on 12/02/2016 at 8:46 AM

Re: “All Hands On Deck

Mike1,

Welcome back to Memphis. I really do not enjoy reading and explaining the article for someone else, but here goes: It's an opinion piece, scroll to the top, the tippy top of the page. If Bruce chose to label Trump and bedwetter, it still fits in the parameter of opinion.

The criticism here is directed at Trump. It is not a comparison with other hack politicians. If you want to deride Obama, there are far worse things he did than the GM deal, but that would not involve Trump.

Fear of losing a multi billion dollar federal contract forced United Technologies to keep their subsidiary in Indiana. Donalds's claim to be the savior is pure politician, which in the un-elected form is referred to as huckster.

Now Mike go back and read the list, all the list, that dat took the time to post. It is Mousseolini's own thumbing on Twitter

Geez, I really do not enjoy reading and explaining the article for someone else, but here you are.

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Posted by CL Mullins on 12/02/2016 at 8:45 AM

Re: “Cohen Introduces Amendment to Scrap Electoral College

@lovebc

Raising money is the first step in the government doing anything. Raising campaign funds is great training for government, because you want people to learn how to get supporters to voluntarily give them money before you give them the power to tax people involuntarily.


You'd think if Congress were paid enough money they'd be too rich to be willing to risk their legacies over petty amounts of money, but of course then you'd have to admit their job is difficult and important and give them a justified raise.

But hey, if the veterans of the legislature are given an impossible task and are doing poorly (in your eyes) at it, give the rookies a shot. I mean, if you had cancer, and an oncologist wasn't getting the job done, obviously you'd want to fire him and go see a veterinarian.

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Posted by FUNKbrs on 12/02/2016 at 8:44 AM

Re: “Rep. Ellison, Frontrunner in DNC Race, to be Honored Here

An excellent choice to be DNC chairman!

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 12/02/2016 at 8:38 AM

Re: “All Hands On Deck

@mike, quibbles; but I will play:

Lie #1 - "And to make it worse, we have a president-elect who appears to spend most of his spare time watching television and reacting to it on Twitter".

Trump has been quoted as saying national security is his number one priority, yet by their own admission his team has acknowledged he has not been attending all of the intelligence briefings. News reports suggesting he has attended two. If it is job one and he is tweeting about reporters and other things, while not doing job one, he is spending free time doing it. He is certainly spending time upon tweeting while NOT doing job one. Neither you nor I know if he does anything else in his free time so neither of us prove of disprove "most". Unfortunately, you asserted it was a lie, and you can't disprove the statement. You are incorrect. He appears to be a completely humorless man so I bet insulting others is his entertainment.


Lie #2 - a man whose byzantine world-wide business connections will present daily conflict-of-interest potential".

What is your point? Is there a lie? Are you disputing the word world-wide? Daily? or Byzantine?

Not much of a rebuttal. Again, please show the lie.

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Posted by datGuy on 12/02/2016 at 8:31 AM

Re: “All Hands On Deck

Yep, we bailed out GM and saved thousands of jobs; republicans howled about corporate welfare and vowed to never buy their cars again. A Republican engages in classic corporate welfare to keep 800 jobs and it's a great victory for the American free market.
The problem is that Carrier is an anomaly and won't likely be repeated to any great extent.
The REAL threat to manufacturing jobs EVERYWHERE in the world is automation, robotics, AI, 3D, etc. In fact, AI and automation are real threats to white collar jobs. Whaddya gonna do about that?
Those coal jobs aren't ever coming back, btw.

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Posted by Packrat on 12/02/2016 at 8:24 AM

Re: “Cohen Introduces Amendment to Scrap Electoral College

@Charlie,

The reason the founders implemented the electoral college was for exactly that reason. They didn't want Presidential races to be controlled by a handful of populous states with specific interests.

If the President knew his/her job was to serve the desires of California, Texas, Illinois, New York, and Florida, then the interests of Wisconsin, Tennessee, Mississippi, and Wyoming never get any consideration. The electoral college was structured that way because the Union was originally created with a goal of putting power in the states, not the major cities. Without the electoral college, major cities would control the Presidency. It's the same reason that the Senate provides 2 seats per state. Wyoming, like you said, gets the same number of votes in the Senate that California does. That's balanced by the House, which provides votes by population.

That's the reason for the electoral college design. Of course, people that want to point to the popular vote also seem to ignore that Presidential candidates don't campaign for the popular vote. For example, California gets little campaign attention because it's going blue no matter how much or little campaigning takes place there. The focus of the campaigns focuses on swing states, not just heavy population centers. If the goal was popular vote, then candidates would focus their resources in mobilizing their voters in areas like LA, Chicago, New York, Miami, Atlanta, DC, Boston, and Dallas, spending little time in Charlotte, Orlando, Detroit, Madison, or Cleveland.

Not to mention that voters would handle voting differently. I voted Third Party, for example, partly because I knew my state was going red anyway, and I figured I had the ability to express my displeasure by not voting for either of the two candidates, and it would have zero impact on the election result. There are others like me that just stayed home knowing their state was a lock one way or the other no matter how they voted. More people would come to the polls and fewer would vote Third Party if the election was solely popular vote.

So not only would campaigning be different, but people's voting habits would be different, and thus the result of the popular vote would be different. It's impossible to know how the election would've gone if popular vote were the metric used.

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Posted by GroveReb84 on 12/02/2016 at 8:10 AM

Re: “All Hands On Deck

@ dat

"And to make it worse, we have a president-elect who appears to spend most of his spare time watching television and reacting to it on Twitter. In the past few days, he's spent every spare moment criticizing the media, insulting individual reporters, and baselessly claiming that millions of votes were cast illegally."

"but doesn't miss a night (or morning) of CNN or Fox News, a man whose byzantine world-wide business connections will present daily conflict-of-interest potential, and a man whose mental stability is clearly questionable."

Neither of these is defensible or acceptable from someone who likely has never met the man. Who probably stays current with their news knowledge from the "Daily show".

Additionally, to GM - Trump has spent $7,000/job for Carrier before he has even entered office; Obama spent $9,133.33 per job for GM once he was in office. Trump is ahead ...

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Posted by Mike 1 on 12/02/2016 at 7:57 AM

Re: “All Hands On Deck

@datguy ... really do not enjoy reading and explaining the article for someone else, but here goes:
Lie #1 - "And to make it worse, we have a president-elect who appears to spend most of his spare time watching television and reacting to it on Twitter".

Lie #2 - a man whose byzantine world-wide business connections will present daily conflict-of-interest potential".

Now, to your GM comment - Trump is still ahead of Obama by 1,000 jobs (TRUMP NOT IN OFFICE YET). Plus, Obama used $9,133.33 per job saved at GM versus Trump using $7,000.00 per job. So, let's compare - Obama used $13.7 billion to save 1.5 million jobs while in office and Trump used $7 million to save 1,000 jobs before he even got in office. Trump is ahead on the scorecard ....

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Posted by Mike 1 on 12/02/2016 at 7:43 AM

Re: “All Hands On Deck

@mike, I see you are still on this thread. Great...so again, please show a single lie Bruce told. It should be easy, you said there was more than one.

About your other new fact regarding Solyndra. Solyndra was one of many investmemts. The most notabke being the saving of hundreds of thousands of jobs at GM. Darn good investment!

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Posted by datGuy on 12/02/2016 at 7:05 AM

Re: “Cohen Introduces Amendment to Scrap Electoral College

This is a difficult one for me. Generally, I believe the majority should rule, but what would that mean? I mean, has the majorities wishes mostly been done/followed in this country? I mean - the majority wants a lot of things that may not be good for the country .... difficult ...

I shutter to think that NYC, Miami, LA, Chicago, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, and maybe a few more towns decide what happens in this country.

States should have "representative" input to the leadership of this country. What that "representation" is debatable - land mass? GDP? ..... it's interesting ...

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Posted by Mike 1 on 12/02/2016 at 7:00 AM

Re: “All Hands On Deck

@ nobody - Hyperbole? Which part? Trump or the good things these fine organizations do? Who decides which part is hyperbole? Let me return the focus to the article in question versus the personal biases so many seem to have here - The author shamed these fine, hard working people by injecting his negative bias, enhancing his views without evidence, towards the next president of the US of A before he takes office.

Oh, and to others concerning the money used to save jobs - Let me see - Trump uses $7 million for Carrier and keeps 1,000 jobs. Obama uses how much? $535+ million to Solyndra and loses all the jobs? So, Trump is ahead 1,000 jobs and up $542+ million over Obama. And, he isn't even in office yet ...

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Posted by Mike 1 on 12/02/2016 at 6:48 AM

Re: “All Hands On Deck

I'm pretty sure the point being made by "questioning drumpf's mental stability" is that he has done, and continues to do, things that make him seem a little unhinged. Going on Twitter rants is not normal senior citizen behavior. Mocking the disabled is not normal behavior. Talking about grabbing pussies (on a job - a professional environment) with a stranger is not normal behavior.

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Posted by nobody on 12/02/2016 at 5:06 AM

Re: “All Hands On Deck

@CL

Sadly, I think you are right.

I will pause now to joyfully contemplate the wondrous Ms Welch butt-nekkid.

This may take a few days.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 12/01/2016 at 10:20 PM

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