I personally think Mayor Goldsworthy herself destroyed any chance at negotiating for local control of those 3 schools with the release of the emails and speeches she gave that clearly upset the SCS board.
Suggesting that Germantown would charge tuition to attend a public school?!? In hindsight, that was just not very smart in my opinion. Even with her backpedaling and proposal to educate the non-Germantown kids through a cooperative agreement with SCS, anything coming out her mouth didn't stick to the wall.
Sad. Germantown might have received something better via negotiating than what they ultimately got had their leadership been careful with their words in discussing an unfinished battle (now finished of course).
Olive oil is the new cupcake.
I don't think a lot of Germantown residents understand that OTP based on some of the comments I've seen through this process.
The school zones are going to see a dramatic shift around Germantown, both within GMSD and SCS, but those in 38138 should actually see a boost, since they'll now be part of a high school zone that had a $10 per square foot better property value on average.
In most places, residents would be jumping up and down over having their neighborhood rezoned to a school that had better surrounding property values. That's why I don't get the angst, and it's why I think some of our residents don't understand that they aren't going to be zoned to an SCS school just because the "G" schools are going to SCS.
OTP, as I've said before, there was room for negotiation, because both sides wanted different things. The SCS/SCC valued money. The MSDs valued time. Both sides got what they wanted, because they weren't fighting over the same thing.
What victory? The only victory, if one wants to call it, is the fact that the SCC, SCS and yes, the city of Memphis got something out of a situation that they were surely going to lose in Federal Court.
If you and the others had bother to look up the judicial history on 14th amendment cases about state school systems allowing municipal school districts, you would have known, out of all of the past challenges, none had succeeded. What the state, under existing Federal law, absent a clear intent to discriminate, was perfectly constitutional. Hell, I and I am sure the SCC knew this also.
Bartlett, I never retreat, I may attack from the rear, but, never retreat. The state had the law, both Federal and state on it's side. The SCC had nothing but bluster.
So, would you please run that by me again about, we won!
You, Bartlettvol are still underestimating your adversaries.
No Germantown residents' children will be zoned to attend SCS schools. They will be completely separate Lea's.
Only those Germantown students that voluntarily request an inter-district transfer and are accepted will attend those three schools.
The SCS is not out to poach students that reside with the municipal boundaries of the city of Germantown.
I love trivia:
If a person could walk to the sun and went 3 mph nonstop, it would take 3,539 years to get there..........better take a cab.
MTBlake, the reason for the typos may have been the Flyer's excitement at reporting on the "defeat" of Germantown at the hands of SCS.
You may be right homer.
The number one thing I've said all along is making sure we don't fall behind the other suburbs. We're competing with them, and the last thing we need is to fall 2 years or so behind them. I'm glad, at the very least, our leaders are taking that avenue.
On the facebook page, I wholeheartedly agree. I don't even visit it anymore, because the people on there are so far out there, and there are many of them that spend the whole time just yelling. I blame it on too much Fox News. Yelling "we will never compromise" over and over doesn't get anything fixed.
We will see, and I guess I will wait to see if there are other moves on the board.
As I've been saying, I'm happy with 5 schools. I could be content with 8 as well, but I think 5 would be more ideal for the community in the long run. I won't cry over the outcome either way though, as long as we're up and running for the 2014-15 school year.
And with natural enemies like Memphis' Buick-winged murder owl the bear was always taking a huge risk.
Grove, remember last year when Mays struck down the law and OTP gloated? Remember how I said this was chess not checkers? We knew then that we had other options. Keep that in mind, there are other options that Gtown can use to get to the end result that they desire. You have to have several strategies. I tell my students on a regular basis there is more than one way to skin a cat. We are always talking about problem solving. This gets the process rolling, a super, a budget, and allows Gtown to set the stage for the schools. It doesn't mean they are done fighting.
When it was obvious we couldn't stop the charter surrender we went to Nashville and got MSDs. Now Gtown is making a move so that they can get the process started. But I don't consider this over.
Keeping the next move quiet is necessary because of that stupid facebook page. That has done Gtown way more harm than good. The less they know the better. We are even more civilized here with the constant incessant pointless rants of the omniscient one. Those folks are just ugly and mean and have no business being involved. They are much like our all knowing one. They can't see the next move on the board so they would just rather whine and cry and call each other names.
It's not over. 12 months from now I bet it's an entirely different situation. I'll buy the beer for you if it's not.
It was supposed to just be a dude in a bear suit, but somehow the two got switched at the last moment due to a scheduling conflict.
I find it ironic that an article about schools has so many typos.
I will say that AP was right when he said a while back that we'd see a negotiated settlement, and both sides would walk away feeling like they'd won something while both sides would also feel like they didn't get everything they wanted.
That means the negotiation worked. Most of the suburbanites are reasonably happy (with the exception of some in Germantown, and I think many of those still don't quite understand that they won't be zoned SCS). SCS is happy with what it got. The SCC is happy it got something out of the deal.
Now we can get on to the important business of education, and hopefully all 7 districts can find ways to work together when it suits them..
On the Germantown issue, as I've said, I'm actually happier with the 5 schools rather than the 8 for a couple reasons:
1) Our schools will be Germantown residents almost exclusively, so any additional tax funds we pay will go towards our community, and we won't have anyone getting a free pass on the taxes while attending our system.
2) I think a one high school set up is better fiscally for the district, and I think it'll build more community pride in the school. As I mentioned before, I was a GHS grad, and I was always a touch jealous of Collierville and the fact that even though it wasn't strictly Collierville students, it encompassed almost exclusively Collierville kids, and the community embraced it as its sole school. The sports teams and everything else received better support from the community. I think we'll finally have that in Germantown if we don't have a divided high school population.
For example, I can remember doing some booster club drives for sports teams, and if we drove into the wrong neighborhood in Germantown, we would be told by the residents we hit the wrong neighborhood. Now that won't be an issue. It'll be everyone in Germantown pulling in the same direction for one school.
We'll obviously have to have SES help us re-work the numbers from the study. I'm sure they are already in process of doing so, but once that's done, we should be able to make a fairly smooth transition over the next few years.
What about the new olive place near Perkins & Poplar?
That's been my point bjc.
All this talk of 38138 losing value is insane.
38138 has been operating at a property value discount for years now because the perception of its school zone has been lesser than that of 38139.
Now, 38138 is on equal school zone footing with 38139. I'm betting that if people in 38138 want to put their house on the market, they'll end up being able to sell it within a week's time, and they'll sell it for more than their most recent appraised value.
The value in 38138 will probably receive a $10 per square foot boost with this move. Keeping all 8 schools would've left 38138 with no change in value. I just don't think a lot of people realize what the 5 school settlement really means.
You have just laid out the way community organizers work. They make it better to settle than to continue to fight They know how to cover the weakness of their positions with the illusion that they have the people on their side and are willing to go to the mat, regardless of cost and delay. Of course, at some point, they are always ready to settle for legal fees and a tidy sum for the organization. The SCS and The Memphis contingent on the CC got what they wanted. They got to keep the ADA funding from the kids from the unincorporated areas, got the necessary buildings to house them in which saves money in that they didn't have to build new buildings and got a pressing problem taken care of, pension liability which was beginning to threaten the credit rating and the stability of both, the county and the Memphis government.
GroveReb84, out of all of the posters on this forum, it is you, that I respect the most. You had my angle figured out pretty early, however, I kept throwing you curves about racism and my hate that you didn't or couldn't focus on my motives entirely.
I am neither racist nor do I harbor hate for the past. Several members of my family are married to whites and I love them all, without reservation. I am a true community organizer, well trained in the art of negotiations and business and government action-counter action. In other words I was well trained on how to extort money and/or favorable agreements from business and government. I know how to motivate, either with love and/or hate, as long as I can stir the pot. You see, whatever the reason, love, hate, if you stir a pot of shit, it will still stink and people will go out of their way to quell the awful stench.
I purposely write the way I do, for, I want my adversaries to think that they are super intelligent compared to me. The greatest weapon at my disposal is the ability to make my adversaries underestimate my abilities. I easily got Homersimpson and others to fall for it, but, I could never get you completely hooked.
Msds for the muni's, I never gave a rats ass about whether you got them or not. Yes, I was angry at the way you did it, but, I knew from the start, that with the state's blessings, you would get them, all legal and constitutional. So, rather than fight a futile fight to stop you, the next best thing was to extract something from you. regardless of why you settled, it worked.
I am and have never been a leftist, my views tend to be on the moderate side socially and almost conservative on the fiscal side. I am also a pragmatist
I have had a load of fun during these past years, however, it is now time to get on with making the SCS better and more responsible to the public that it serves.
Good luck with you msd and I truly hope that it will become a world class entity.
OTP continues to fight a rear guard action, giving ground on his arguments. A year ago none of this was possible because of the courts, the state legislature's unwillingness to act, private law suites, etc. Now muni school boards are seated, passing budgets and interviewing superintendents. Victory is sweet.
The local GOPers will now back their omnipresent demigod, Jerry Mander, for that all-important position. All across the country, he has delivered great success for local and state Republicans and tea brains. Just witness his mighty good works in Gnashtown!
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