Oak, I would differentiate the dislike of Clinton for her corporate pandering and Republican Lite policies (legitimate issues over the years) from the visceral hate and bile from right wing ideologues because, oh, she murdered Vince Foster, say. Sort of the difference between loyal opposition conservatives to Obama and those who think he's a Kenyan-born Muslim agent out to destroy America.
I think that's what Bruce (and Jeff) were saying. Well, this shitty election can't possibly end soon enough. Even if Hil wins, she won't be able to govern. The racists and shitheads will see to that.
@Jeff - There are also people who don't hate her, but hate what she has done. And are rightfully fearful, to use Charlie's apropos aphorism, of what she would do, given more power. That's why we are at this level of discourse.
Spot on, Charlie.
It's an arguably legitimate complaint, Oak, though I would argue she did not sell out her party, her party had already sold out before she arrived. But does that complaint rise to the level of hate? There are plenty of people who disagree with her politically here or there, for this or that, but do not hate her.
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“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” – Yoda
I think we are at the suffering part.
Incidentally, as a person concerned about the long term effects of worsening income inequality and the war on the middle class in this country since Reagan started it, hating Clinton for selling out her party and becoming the backroom prostitute for Wall street and foreign governments is quite a legitimate complaint.
So stop trying to reduce this visceral dislike of Clinton to a 'Rush Limbaugh brigade' effect. It's much more substantive than that. Neither of us is fools. We just disagree that Clinton is acceptable. I think she is not. You think she is. That's why we vote.
Just keep swimming.
"How did we get to this place, anyway?"
"..of course, I think they're both fools, and they probably think the same of me."
I think you just answered your own question there.
Der Flyer, why not just burn the money you pay for Richard Cohen's columns? That would be more illuminating.
Hillary Hate is a thing to behold. I can't understand where it comes from. Yes, television media has done a bang-up job demonizing her, to the extent that more people think her use of a private email server (just like every other secretary of state since the invention of email, apparently) is a more important subject than Donald Trump's refusal to release his tax returns or his use of his charity to pay for his personal legal troubles, which is about as small town penny ante corrupt as a person can get.
The Clintons are the most investigated couple in the history of America, and over the course of 24 years the only thing either one of them have ever been guilty of doing is lying to cover up marital infidelity - as if every other one of us wouldn't do exactly the same thing in the same situation. But somehow, in the unhinged minds of the Hillary Haters, both left and right, there still must be something she's hiding. There simply must be. After 24 years of empty investigations, they can't let go now. It's as though their sense of self is welded to the idea that the Clintons must be corrupt, they must be, lest they themselves be proven fools. They have eaten this nothingburger for so long, they can't taste any other kind of food, and therefore refuse to believe other food exists.
Trust me, I was perfectly willing to believe it myself, twenty years ago. But at some point you have to look at the evidence, or lack thereof, and say, the Clintons had to stumble, they had to slip up, and with all the jackals constantly circling them, waiting for just such an error, something would have come out. Something. Anything. But there's nothing there. There never has been.
Nothing except unreasoning, unquestioning hate, from the very beginning.
Thomas Bates not nitpicking but I'm sure you meant in due time.
Do not listen to them Michael Weakley. I for one am happy to have my tax money take up the slack for Christian schools. If the Brothers weren't so diligent in pushing their boys deeper into the closet I, as a gentleman, would have no one to open the door for.
Paranoia is only good thinking when they really are out to get you.
Do you mean "FREE" money' as in tax exempt?
It is like the writer has never heard of Snoop Dog. Of course, that is my attempt to being hip to hip hop. It is local news, it is what it is.
apok, I don't think highways are subsidized, their construction is fully government funded.
Does carbon free include carbon based life forms?
Good for the kid! I hope he wins. Even if he doesn't win, though, if even a shred of what is stated in the Complaint is shown to have actually occurred, then it reflects very poorly on the "Christian" Brothers.
The kid would have had an easier time if he and/or his date were gay AND illegal immigrants. If that were the case, C.B.H.S. probably would have caved for fear of being labeled a racist and C.B.U. would probably have jumped in and offered the kid AND his date full scholarships to college.
Stop subsidizing highway construction and subsidizing infrastructure for new exurbs. It will happen much more quickly.
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