OK. Everyone out there who is a professional. Listen to me. If you have a Twitter account, or a Facebook account, go to your computer RIGHT NOW and delete it. Try to get whatever information you have about yourself off of the Net. Just do it. Nothing good is going to come of the internet gossip machine. Basking in its glory is like warming your hands over a pile of plutonium. Seriously. Now. Do it.
It's Thursday, time for my paranoia to peak. For a few decades it has seemed to me that late in the campaign, one candidate in Presidential elections does something particularly stupid or suddenly and silently backs away from a critical juncture in the contest, thereby assuring victory for the other side. By some political physic this tactic has become more blatant and bizarre over time until the bizarre has become routine.
Trump cannot now say or do anything so outrageous that would throw the election.
Clinton can promise progressive rainbows and be believed despite never having delivered one.
We are left with only with the option of sitting back and hoping that the inevitable 2020 Michelle v Ivanka contest will be more substantive.
Bruce, but they've done such a bang-up job of "controlling" Trump so far, haven't they?
Allan, the idea that Trump will be "controlled" or made to toe the line by the GOP congress is a pretty common one among his reluctant GOP supporters.
I keep hearing this Hillary is in the Pockets of the Big Banks. I am curious how that could be since she is for extending and expanding controls on banking
As unbelievable as it seems, Wall Street might be supporting Hillary despite the regulations she proposes, since her positions are not economic suicide.
Devaluing the dollar? Defaulting on our debt? Backsliding on free trade?
These are positions Trump has espoused. They are things he has done with his companies. Banks have memories even if many Americans do not. America receives great value out of being the currency of choice around the world. Banks would be damaged by causing confidence in the dollar to erode and our economy would be gravely damaged. American Banks support Hillary since destroying our economy is bad for business and bad for their (and all of our) pocket books.
Clintons "in the pocket of Wall Street" positions are in the link below. These are not positions of someone in Wall Street's "pocket"
Trump's positions are in the link below. He doesn't have many and espouses NONE on Wall Street. You'd think he would have thought about that by now huh?
Again even by a right of center news source they acknowledge she's for reigning in Wall Street. Trump is NOT. He does whine though
Here's how she supports Main street over Wall Street
Here's another side by side by the same right of center news source
Repeating something over and over and over again does not make it true.
Pack, they don't really care if she murdered anyone. All they care about is prosecuting her for it, to destroy her politically, because reasons.
"I think Hillary would be an unmitigated disaster."
Based on what, exactly?
And what is the definition of disaster? Have the last eight years been an unmitigated disaster, as I have heard so many say? Because, frankly, I'm not seeing a disaster. It could be better, it took too friggin' long, but it certainly is better than it was eight years ago.
Bruce, I have heard no one else mention the thought of the Republicans removing a President Trump if necessary. There have been some in my circle of friends that agree with me when I suggested the possibility, though. Good to get your attention. It is heartwarming to be only deplorable and not a deplorable fool.
"Seasoned," or Allan, I suppose. Our online conversation was certainly typical of the in-person convos I had, but not the specific ones I was referring to.
I've had a very similar conversation with my wife and others in recent years, about how there seems to be no longer any political discourse, but only political rage. I can't believe the things I see come out of the mouths of people I grew up with (or their parents), whom I went to church with, and who, like me, are professing Christians with a number of conservative values.
These people I am referring to seem to have forgotten that Jesus said to let the poor and the children come to Him, and did not say "deport them, or only give them bread if they are not substance abusers".
Republican and evangelical beliefs and values have become so intermixed over the past decades, but to the point that instead of Christians influencing the GOP in a moral direction, the GOP has instead corrupted the Christians by making them think that a love of money and an upper-middle-class lifestyle are more important than a love of God.
"Allan Hase Here is more I have considered. The Republicans would remove Trump if necessary."
Lol. Sure. Sure they would. If the republican establishment dared to try such a coup, they'd be lynched in short order by the Trumpanzee crowd.
Bruce, is this one of the attempts you made to have a civil conversation with a Christian Republican who is voting for Trump? This is from the exchange we had on Facebook Saturday evening. I know it is difficult to paraphrase two conversations into one and have it totally accurate. Personally, I'm not big on name calling.
Bruce VanWyngarden Who are you voting for, Allan? Just curious.
Like · Reply · September 17 at 8:46pm
(Unnamed mutual friend) Bruce, who do you think!
Like · Reply · September 17 at 9:21pm
Bruce VanWyngarden I actually don't know. I'm genuinely curious what smart conservative Christians are going to do. I have GOP friends going for McMullen, Johnson, etc. And some holding their nose and voting Trump. Obviously, I think Trump would be a disaster, as do many in the GOP. That's why I asked.
Like · Reply · September 17 at 9:33pm · Edited
Allan Hase I have serious issues with the Washington "ruling class." Trump is a crap shoot and my opinion is Hillary would be an unmitigated disaster. I like the Trump financial team. I think our framers had it right with limited government. I don't believe Trump is in agreement but my choices, like yours, are very limited.
Like · Reply · September 17 at 9:45pm
Bruce VanWyngarden Okay. I respect your opinion, if not your candidate. :)
Like · Reply · September 17 at 9:50pm · Edited
Allan Hase I read '"The Big Short" this week. Third book I have read on the crash. Much more informative and different slant than the other two. It left me quite concerned. Hillary is totally in the pocket of Wall Street. IMO.
Like · Reply · September 17 at 9:55pm
Bruce VanWyngarden Possibly, but I'll take flawed over nuts any day. We'll have to agree to cancel each other out.
Like · Reply · September 17 at 9:59pm
Allan Hase Here is more I have considered. The Republicans would remove Trump if necessary. The Democrats just circle the wagons.
Like · Reply · September 17 at 10:01pm
The constant Hillary backlash is partially because in her earlier days she made a name for herself dogging Richard Nixon, and a certain segment of the political sphere has been looking for payback on that for a long time.
That's also why she's been allowed to continue to be the face of activism even though she hasn't taken a hard line in a long, long time.
However, there's a group of real drooling degenerates who have been slavering for a white male president for the last 8 years, and the prospect of waiting another 4 years for one drives them right up the wall.
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Oak, I would differentiate the dislike of Clinton for her corporate pandering and Republican Lite policies (legitimate issues over the years) from the visceral hate and bile from right wing ideologues because, oh, she murdered Vince Foster, say. Sort of the difference between loyal opposition conservatives to Obama and those who think he's a Kenyan-born Muslim agent out to destroy America.
I think that's what Bruce (and Jeff) were saying. Well, this shitty election can't possibly end soon enough. Even if Hil wins, she won't be able to govern. The racists and shitheads will see to that.
@Jeff - There are also people who don't hate her, but hate what she has done. And are rightfully fearful, to use Charlie's apropos aphorism, of what she would do, given more power. That's why we are at this level of discourse.
Spot on, Charlie.
It's an arguably legitimate complaint, Oak, though I would argue she did not sell out her party, her party had already sold out before she arrived. But does that complaint rise to the level of hate? There are plenty of people who disagree with her politically here or there, for this or that, but do not hate her.
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