If you are a Hillary supporter and you live in TN, you might as well stay at home anyway, because your vote doesn't matter. The same for a republican in California, your vote doesn't matter either.
Jeff, aside from his military record, the first instance was when McCain stood up to BJU, Pat Robertson, and Jerry Falwell. Another instance was his opposition to Republicans who endorse torture.
As for OakTree's delusion that Trump won't appoint social conservatives to SCOTUS -- he has done nothing but pander to religious conservatives, and it is illogical to believe he will change that if elected president. Who is his VP choice?
It is unpleasant, but Hillary has been positioned as the only sane choice. I will never send another dime to the Human Rights Campaign because they endorsed her early, but she is now the only option for LGBT voters who want to maintain progress made thus far.
Yep. Just tired of the 'lesser of two evils' argument. Neither Clinton nor Trump is acceptable, so let's stop fooling ourselves that Clinton is 'better' because she nominally is a Democrat, and they historically have looked out for the little guy. That history is meaningless to Clinton. She's got more bankster connections than Trump. She doesn't have any plans to fix the downward slide of the working and middle class, either. Any ideas she mouths in that direction are meaningless platitudes, articulated in order to get closer to power.
So backing her is pointless.
Sooner or later, America has to break out of the two party system, and embrace a future where people actually vote for what they believe in. This election cycle is where that is going to happen. Stop letting yourself get sold a bill of goods by both major parties, who throw out the red meat of social issues to divide us, thereby allowing a creeping corporatist state to evolve, and instead choose a smaller party to grow into an engine that actually does our will.
We also need to devolve the 'winner takes all' style of government we have now, into a more parliamentary system, which takes into account more than two points of view. Two is always oppositional and inclined to stalemate. Three or more is more stable, and allows work to actually get done.
It's time to do it now. If anyone wanted to ever illustrate why that's true, they couldn't have created a better natural experiment to do so.
Bruno, what is it about McCain that won your admiration? Was it when he threw his support behind Bush, even though Bush beat him in South Carolina with a whisper campaign about his illegitimate black baby? Or was it when McCain chose Sarah Palin to be one chicken bone in the throat, one slip in the bathtub away from the presidency?
@oak, you okay?
Justin looks good in that shade.
Lipstick, meet Pig.
By the way, if you like hyperlinks, 68% of voters think Clinton is 'untrustworthy', according to the latest polls. Over the last six months, every successive poll has shown more and more of the electorate thinks she can't be trusted:
If this many people think that she is damaged goods, then supporting her makes no sense at all. Vote your conscience, and vote for someone who actually embraces your values.
Tennessee is red no matter what you do.
Clinton is unable to live on a $450,000 a year pension. And we want her in control of fiscal policy?
Lying is lying, no matter how you want to dress it up. Clinton has been caught in enough lies that she is proven to be untrustworthy. She characteristically is dismissive of what 'little people' think, and ready to lie to them if it furthers her agenda. That is simply unacceptable.
And Social conservatism is dying anyway. Trump has no dog in that fight. He won't be inclined to put an ideologue on the bench. So that's a false flag designed to stir people up who are nominally social liberals, and scare them into voting for Clinton.
Clinton is in many ways much more conservative than Trump, and she CERTAINLY is more insidiously calculating than he even has the capacity to be.
It's one thing to have a flailing dolt as a figurehead. He won't be able to fall too far off the rails before someone rights the train. It's totally another thing to have a leader who creates a ruling shadow clique that does things like 'innocently' use a private email server in order to avoid laws governing transparency in our governmental functions.
The choice of which kind of sociopath you want as a president is still no choice. But to say that Clinton is better than Trump is merely a value judgement regarding which problems are greatest in magnitude, not something which is objectively verifiable with hyperlinks, Pete.
@BL, that is your choice. I made a statement regarding honesty and then provided a source that compiled a summary of their prior history after your hoot commentary.
If you want to feel a particular way, there's little else to discuss
"The ONLY reason I see to vote for Hillary Clinton is to keep social conservatives off the Supreme Court."
That is more than enough reason to pull the lever for Clinton right there. And not lose a minute of sleep over it, either.
I don't consult Politifact to form opinions of politicians, and I don't go by voting history. There are particular instances that set my opinions of politicians, and in the cases of McCain and Feinstein, those instances have left me with nothing but respect and admiration for them as decent, principled, and courageous human beings.
Your assertion about McCain isnt supported by Politifact. Perhaps you have another source
Feinstein has few ratings unfortunately
I can't wait to do volunteer work for One Family Memphis! I have worked in the mental health field for over thirty years and plan to retire soon. I have kept up with Tom Shadyac through my son, who attended Tom's Storytelling and Life classes at U of M, and I love the idea of One Family Memphis. I think it can be an amazing success if we all believe it can be and throw our energy and talents into it with passion.
There are politicians far closer to perfect than Hillary Clinton. John McCain and Diane Feinstein come to mind. Jimmy Carter and Bush Sr., also. Wish I could think of some younger ones, but I can't.
Strait Shooter, The Democrats lost the election in 2000 all by their inept lonesome. Same group is up to bat again with one of the very few candidates that Trump cam beat.
datguy, "she's one of the most honest politicians running." What a horrible thing to say about our nation's politicians.
What a hoot! "Hillary is far more honest than Donald."
Hillary is the same dishonest opportunist that Donald Trump is, but she does it more calmly and sanely. Nothing is to be believed that either of them say.
The ONLY reason I see to vote for Hillary Clinton is to keep social conservatives off the Supreme Court. If it weren't for that, I would be skipping this election. I would rather keep Obama for a 3rd term.
@grove - Hillary is far far more honest than the donald - as a matter of fact she's one of the most honest politicians running.
There are no perfect politicians,
If you think tax cuts for the wealthiest or engaging trade restrictions like those that started the great depression are good policy. Go for it. Votes count
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