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Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Projection's a tough nut Bric, it just doesn't stick. Having a beautiful, productive day over here, filled with all kinds of unexpected delights. Can't remember when I've been more centered or had quite so much Disney-Princess-y pep in my step. A couple more interviews and I'll be pretty much finished for the whole weekend. Maybe there's something to this Whole30 thing.

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Posted by Chris Davis on 02/24/2017 at 2:31 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

@Chris

Well, OK.

Could the Democrats just be willing to maybe bargain on a middle class tax cut?

if they really want to be ambitious, perhaps they could extend themselves and bargain on repairing the obvious financial problems with Obamacare. If Democrats want to fiercely defend the ACA against repeal, fine with me. Keep the name and call it "repair" instead.

But these outrageous yearly increases in premiums, accompanied by likewise outrageous increases in deductibles, with ever shrinking choices, and with insurance companies continuing to pull out of participation, with the latest CEO announcing a pull out referring to Obamacare being in a "death spiral", there is obviously some work to be done.

Will the Democrats work with Republicans to fix these problems or not? Unless they do, nothing can be accomplished.

And I hope they do, because it is manifestly in the interest of America that these issues with Obamacare be fixed.

It is in their party's interest to cooperate, too. If they don't they are going to own what happens with Obamacare and the Republicans are going to hang it around their necks in 2018.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 02/24/2017 at 2:29 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Pop-
I appreciate the admitted mistake and clarification which is all to rare by some in these sections.
The only reason I think such actions are any more important today than say 5 years ago, is the active goal by so many to state fake news, stats or figures in place of actual verifiable facts. I always knew there was a percentage of the population that would believe everything they read regardless of the source (and were more than willing to unwittingly share false information as fact), but until the last year I did not realize this group represented such a large segment of the population. I also did not realize that so many are intent on actively using known false information to further their goals or ideology. More and more it seems that facts are under attack.

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Posted by barf on 02/24/2017 at 2:19 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Bric-
I can't read?
Pop posted 90 and bruce corrected to 63. It is all up there, black and white for all to read. Looks like you may need to spruce up those remedial reading and math skills. It is all up there, black and white.
Also, nice how you assume what ay author's intent might be. Of course, I can play that game too: BVW was "clearly" providing a more broad and thus more complete depiction of the voting results in the most recent election which could be appropriate seeing a earlier comment invoked such numbers as a basis for some sort of point being made.

That said, it was Pop's choice to explain the mistype, not for some bystander such as yourself. Your stats record another swing and a miss.

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Posted by barf on 02/24/2017 at 2:08 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Don't hyperventilate chris. You might pass out. Do you need some smelling salts?

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Posted by Bric-a-Brac on 02/24/2017 at 2:05 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Hill, Bill, Obama... Lincoln! So much living in the past. So many tea leaves, tea leaves, tea leaves. The future's in "polarization" -- a media buzzword describing an unwillingness to bargain with white nationalism, bigotry, contempt for the poor, corporate immunity, environmental destruction, rigid unequal gender roles, homophobia, xenophobia... etc.

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Posted by Chris Davis on 02/24/2017 at 2:04 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

@Bruce

Pardon my fat finger on that one.

You are a whole lot closer to the actual figure than my post.

I think the final numbers were right at 63 million for Trump, 66 Million for Ms Clinton and some 7 Million for other candidates.

Which means that 66 million voted for Ms Clinton while 70 Million voted for someone other than Ms Clinton.

If Ms Clinton's goal was to win the popular vote, her campaign did an outstanding job and she is to be congratulated.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 02/24/2017 at 1:52 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

barf,

Nope. You just can't read. The "90" in pop's post is easily understood given that the 6 is right above the 9 on a numerical keypad. Also, Bruce is clearly referring to the popular vote margin, as if that has anything to do with the result, which it doesn't.

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Posted by Bric-a-Brac on 02/24/2017 at 1:32 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

BTW:

Lincoln won with only 40% of the vote.

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Posted by Bric-a-Brac on 02/24/2017 at 1:28 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

I ask, because it appears that Bruce was responding to an incorrect figure used in Pop's most recent post.

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Posted by barf on 02/24/2017 at 1:27 PM

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Quest- the only mention of President Clinton on this particular web page was in your post (and now mine), so I have to ask: what is your point?

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Posted by barf on 02/24/2017 at 1:23 PM

Re: “Start Seeing Trolleys (But Not Ride Them)

Just because I happen to need to know this kind of nerdy stuff for work:
A brand new, high quality, low boarding light rail "vehicle" (streetcar) will cost somewhere between $4.25 million and $5 million per "vehicle". By that standard, the 4 restored streetcars are a bargain.
However, as Love noted above, these would be new vehicles so initial maintenance costs would be low and spare parts easy to obtain. They would be able to accelerate more quickly, safely operate at greater average speeds and (depending on the model) would be capable of comfortably carrying around 150 passengers. They would also allow for shorter stops because the boarding process would include multiple entrances and would not involve stairs or the lengthy wheelchair lift process.

Posted by barf on 02/24/2017 at 1:20 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Quest,

Beat me to it.

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Posted by Bric-a-Brac on 02/24/2017 at 1:19 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Bruce, in 1992, 45 million voted for Clinton. 59 million voted for someone else. That's a wider margin that you gave. Clinton was still president.

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Posted by Quest on 02/24/2017 at 12:45 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Posting from my phone, high atop the Pyramid, where I'm having a nice lunch. Facebook logs me in as Sylamore.

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Posted by sylamore on 02/24/2017 at 12:38 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

I haven't been inclined to jump on the Trump train, however, if we get to fuck our way to victory then I'm hopping aboard.

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Posted by Timeout4 on 02/24/2017 at 12:35 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Pop, 63 million voted for Trump. 74 million voted for someone else.

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Posted by sylamore on 02/24/2017 at 12:35 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Chris,

You agree with me that you are spewing bullshit? I must say that I didn't expect that. I really expected you to spew some other thing, like trying to explain how there is no truth and there are only versions of a narrative.

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Posted by Bric-a-Brac on 02/24/2017 at 12:19 PM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

Bric-- See, that's how you respond when I agree with you? Bruce -- exactly! Grove-- I never said all Republicans/Conservatives are bigots. But all mainstream conservatism props up bigots, protects them, and builds them a lovely nest. The policies are bigot-friendly, and create bigot-informed laws to keep order. That's not opinion, friend. It's where you staked your claim. Whatcha gonna do?

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Posted by Chris Davis on 02/24/2017 at 11:42 AM

Re: “Conservatives Have an Identity Problem. It's Called Their Identity

And Sara Palin was not invited to CPAC this year. Now that's funny.

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Posted by lfine on 02/24/2017 at 11:34 AM

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