Please to make stopping with the shaming of Not-a-Midtown-Liberal. It is surprising with English is my learned language and as with NAML expressing mit percision, very hard. And texting in a bubble bath even harder.
Herr NAML means not that the police don't kill people. But they do kill demons and things that go bump suddenly in der nacht!
Thanks Bruce. Once again a level-headed look at a tragic situation. Life sucks. People are heartless. Dogs are awesome.
Nothing nice in this 'city' stays open for long.
Jackson you look like you are getting younger...looking good!
Even he figured it out... kinda.
NONE of those FACTS are in dispute ...but go ahead and shoot the messenger, it doesn't change the message.
You can't excuse police maleficence because society is maleficent. They are the police. Dirty Harry was really quite a bad movie.
If the police don't want to do their job as described in their training and by law, they should quit, as many are. I think an honest effective police force securing our streets is a much more important expense than securing the sand traps of the Mid-East.
As far as police prosecutions, Cuz'c Craker posted earlier--
To paraphrase, once they come for big obnoxious black men, next they'll come for big obnoxious white men... hey that's me!
Do you see flashing lights or sparkles before you go off on the sixties? Obviously there's some numbness above the neck. Is that taste in your mouth metallic or just bitter? Hmmmm.
Really Not-a, spring for a dictionary. Not that I'm trying to stroke you out but this killing was actually a ....homicide. Check with Noah.
NAML: You're getting your "facts" from NewsMax? That explains a lot.
I must admit it was a very festive gathering of Democrats.
The police didn't f*ucking kill him, he is the only one responsible for his death for resisting arrest, same as Brown and most other cases like this.
Hate the source if you want, be the facts are the facts ... http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/eric-garn…
The store owners had been complaining about Garner selling cigarettes in front of their businesses and asked the police for help.
"Throwing a fit on the sidewalk while police attempt to question and/or arrest you will achieve only one result...a bad one."
Bad? Yeah, pretty bad, man. They f*cking KILLED him. Guess he won't get mouthy again, huh?
Irresponsible and short-sighted ... spot on MTB.
The question should be about the arbitrary arrest for a misdemeanor then. Did the police target him because he was black? Would they have ignored his actions if he were white? Were the police questioning him for no reason? Did they attempt to get his ID so they could verify his identity and write him a ticket (which can be paid if you admit guilt or serves as a summons to appear in court)? Did he cooperate with the police from the outset? Did the police even have a chance to question him and issue him a ticket instead of arresting him? No. He threw a fit as soon as the police approached him. He raised his voice, throwing his hands around insisting he didn't do nothing...pretty much like every guilty suspect and convict. I know of no society where police are not permitted to arrest you simply because you insist you didn't do anything. Instead, people are insisting that he was arrested because he is black, and that the grand jury said his life has no meaning, and the cop didn't care if he lived or died because he was black. The argument of the legitimacy of the arrest or guilt/innocence gets lost when someone starts resisting arrest or refuses to cooperate during the arrest. Unfortunately, the argument about whether or not you should be arrested is not one that can be made during the arrest or on a public sidewalk. That argument has to be made in a court of law, because that is what it means to live in a society governed by laws and not men. If you want to live in a society where police enforce laws that are meant to protect you, the trade off to that is to submit to the rule of law when you are suspected of committing a crime. Simply throwing a fit on a sidewalk and yelling that you didn't do anything is never going to work. It doesn't matter what color your skin is. If a cop turns on his lights, you pull over. You don't get to think "well, I'm not speeding, so I don't have to do what he wants." You pull over. If you refuse to pull over, you get chased. If you refuse to show him your ID, insurance, registration, you can be arrested. A cop has the discretion to arrest you for a ticketable offense if you are being non-cooperative or become aggressive.
While completely sober in Florida for spring break on year (hadn't had one drink yet that night), I was handcuffed and arrested for possession of alcohol (not underage consumption - possession) while sitting in a chair on a hotel patio holding a closed 12 pack of beer when I was 20...while a party involving beer cans thrown at cars and people jumping off of balconies into the pool went on with no arrests. I was never booked, fingerprinted, photographed. There is no record of my arrest (I checked). I spent the night in jail for a $258 ticketable offense. I know this stuff abuse of police authority goes on, but that's the argument we need to be having. Not turning this into a race war. If you resist arrest, you will be met with force. Period. If you don't think you should be arrested - fight it in court. Sue the police department for violation of your rights. Sue for wrongful arrest resulting in lost wages. Campaign against a sherrif who supports such tactics. Bring the issue public. Don't throw a fit on a sidewalk.
Throwing a fit on the sidewalk while police attempt to question and/or arrest you will achieve only one result...a bad one. I've had police draw their guns on me while my hands were in my pockets while sitting in the back seat of a car during a traffic stop. I was pulled out of the car, thrown over the hood of the car, handcuffed and sat on a curb while they tossed the car during a routine traffic stop. Cop told me to keep my hands where I could see him, I didn't. Consequence. I've had police stop to ask me where I'm going while walking back to my downtown apartment late at night. Did it piss me off? Sure it did. Did the police have reason to at least ask me where I was going? Probably not, but as soon as I told them where I was going and gave my address, that was the end of it. If I told him to mind his own business - different result. If I told him to stop harrassing me or to "f#ck off!" - different result. But if you have this perfect utopian idea of a world where the police believe everyone who says they are innocent and only the guilty get arrested, well...I wanna live there too. The system can be improved - as America should aways be striving to do - but to insist the system is entirely to blame here is a bit irresponsible and short-sighted.
A free-rider like Fincher can't employ anyone with an actual working brain, the incongruity of his actions relative to his "small government" rhetoric would cause a too much cognitive dissonance. He can only employ petty small-mind people who can tolerate his hypocrisy.
How awful of you to insinuate that the MPD would shoot citizens in retaliation for the shooting of Officer Lang, you should be ashamed. When someone points a gun at you, you pull the trigger of your gun before they do, period.
I absolutely agree that there are police issues to be addressed. I've read about some of the issues in Albuquerque (I believe), where the DOJ finally had to step in and take over the department.
I just think those issues PALE in comparison to the other issues.
I've seen police go too far before personally. I don't think it's that uncommon, and I absolutely want them to have to operate within a reasonable set of parameters. There just needs to be more energy invested in protesting violent criminals than protesting police in my opinion, because that's a bigger issue than police issues.
The only thing I'll say in defense of the police though is that the more restrictions you put on them, and the more you prosecute them, the less they're going to be able to do their job effectively, because their job isn't black and white. There is a lot of gray. Is a guy resisting arrest enough for me to need to throw him to the ground, or will I get prosecuted if he breaks his nose or gets a concussion from it? If a guy is coming at me, is he enough of a threat for me to need to shoot? Does he have a weapon? If I shoot, am I going to go to jail because I later find out he was unarmed? Those are split second decisions that they have to make, and they aren't given the benefit of hindsight. They have to decide on the spot in the heat of the moment.
I absolutely think there are violent, bad cops out there, and they need to be weeded out, but what about the good ones that are just trying to do their job?
The other option is to allow the police to choose to ignore certain parts of town where they fear they'll be likely to have to have potentially violent confrontations that could get them into trouble. Let those areas police themselves. That, or if someone resists, teach the police to let the perpetrator go. That way, the criminals can just resist and stay on the streets, but at least we don't have to worry about police brutality.
I don't know about the rest of the country, Grove and Niles, but in Utah, police killings outnumber killings by violent crime, and the justice department recently released a study stating that the Cleveland police department is out of control and dangerous to the lives of the peaceful citizens of that city.
So, you know, there's that.
I really do despair to think that people in this country are willing to tolerate anything less than the highest standards of conduct from our police forces, rather than the lowest. Since when did having a hard job grant anyone a pass? Do pilots get a pass? Do firefighters? No, in every other profession in the world, the harder your job, and especially the greater your responsibility for the protection of human life, the higher the standard to which you are held.
Appreciate the article and you opinion, Wendi.
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