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Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

Oaktree, In answer to your query, I give pedicures to the marginally housed mentally ill and provide them with formatted mail that they fill in and I mail to the NYT.

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Posted by Nick R on 05/06/2017 at 9:50 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

Oaktree, never touted the ACA. My reaction was to your admonishment that folks shouldn't be tense while Wall Street decides what health care they are to receive. And would advise them to take a route that worked for you decades ago?

Do you really think that you will effect the course of health care in America by posting here or anywhere?

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Posted by Nick R on 05/06/2017 at 9:42 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

So Nick, ummm... What exactly are you, yourself, personally, doing to help fix the problem of the uninsured? Are you volunteering to help in a local clinic or something? I'm sure they could use you. ;)

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Posted by OakTree on 05/06/2017 at 9:37 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@Nick - Let's see... One by one...

"..I don't believe I ever touted, well, anything..."

You touted the PPACA (Obamacare) solving the problem of the uninsured. Which it did not.

"..Does the term reaction formation make you grind your teeth?.."

Not at all. Does the term 'straw man' make you grind YOUR teeth?

"..'The adults in the room are busy figuring out what to do once these changes come into play. I am one of those actually doing that.' ...Grandiose and verbose..."

No, descriptive and accurate, despite more of your childish insults.

"..'So it didn't solve the problem of the uninsured at all.' ....Except for those it did..."

No, even the few that did get it are losing it now. That isn't a 'solution' at all. As has been said by others about this, 'having a bus ticket, when there is no bus service' is kinda pointless.

Even for them.

"..'In the interim, there are places to go to obtain charity care, which in many cases is more comprehensive than commercial insurance anyway.' ...So why is there a problem at all?..."

Because people like you want to make a political football out of it.

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Posted by OakTree on 05/06/2017 at 9:20 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

"The adults in the room are busy figuring out what to do once these changes come into play. I am one of those actually doing that." ...Grandiose and verbose.

"So it didn't solve the problem of the uninsured at all." ....Except for those it did

"In the interim, there are places to go to obtain charity care, which in many cases is more comprehensive than commercial insurance anyway." ...So why is there a problem at all?

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Posted by Nick R on 05/06/2017 at 8:59 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

Oaktree, I don't believe I ever touted, well, anything. Does the term reaction formation make you grind your teeth?

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Posted by Nick R on 05/06/2017 at 8:46 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@AP - It really depends on how it is organized. If it's in with the general fund, yeah. But it could be managed like Social Security, with a separate payroll deduction, so that it isn't in direct competition with the defense budget.

I think you make a good point though. The devil is in the details.

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Posted by OakTree on 05/06/2017 at 7:29 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@Nick - Now, now, such petty jibes do poor service to the issue. Your frantic handwringing and insults though, are simply childish. The adults in the room are busy figuring out what to do once these changes come into play. I am one of those actually doing that.

In my opinion, patients who are being kicked off the PPACA subsidies really shouldn't feel tense, because this debate is only getting stronger, and people are starting to understand why a real solution has to be put in place. In the interim, there are places to go to obtain charity care, which in many cases is more comprehensive than commercial insurance anyway.

Oh, and regarding your really old news story...

The PPACA didn't cover everybody. Let that sink in. So it didn't solve the problem of the uninsured at all. You are conveniently forgetting that.

If your highly touted bandaid incomplete PPACA solution is discarded on the road to a complete solution, those who want to eliminate ANY uninsured issue call that PROGRESS.

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Posted by OakTree on 05/06/2017 at 7:27 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@Oak

But won't the NHS always be in competition for funding from other worthy needs?

Basic problem with state run healthcare.

This time it was defense. Next time perhaps education or infrastructure will claim priority on those funds? Not to mention what happens if there is a severe recession and England's workforce needs more dole money to survive, even as tax receipts that support NHS are dropping.

Something will have to give. Governments must either ration healthcare, or as in this case, cut providers, or provide substandard services, in order to pay the bills.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/06/2017 at 6:32 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

If only they had the good sense to have moved to Memphis.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009…

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Posted by Nick R on 05/06/2017 at 3:44 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

OakTree, Good point, so the question should not be whether excessive numbers of people are dying, but whether they should reasonably feel tense about the increased possibility, given most folks' lack of access to your autobiography.

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Posted by Nick R on 05/06/2017 at 1:07 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@Nick - Ha! That's a great one liner, but Coke hasn't been a nickel in my whole adult life. And the same charitable networks I used back then, to get the care I described, still exist today. The exact same ones. In fact, they are more robust now in Memphis than at any time in previous history.

If people need health care, in Memphis, right now, they can get it. Totally without the PPACA (Obamacare).

So again, your claim of this political dog and pony show actually killing people, is kind of over-the-top melodramatic. That's not really happening. What's happening, is that the charity ecosystem is adjusting to handle the immediate shift in people coming off PPACA subsidies, while they work for a more permanent solution to the problem.

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Posted by OakTree on 05/06/2017 at 10:07 AM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@AP - No doubt Cameron starved the NHS system of its customary capital budget in order to buy F35's. But the decrement in the UK health is described this way in your article:

"..The organisation called for urgent attention to combat high rates of smoking, harmful alcohol consumption and obesity, which are all above the OECD average, to reduce premature mortality in the United Kingdom. Some 19 per cent of adults in the OECD are obese on average, but the figure in the UK is 25 per cent..."

For comparison, the OECD says the current US overweight and obese percentages have risen to to about SEVENTY PERCENT:

https://data.oecd.org/healthrisk/overweigh…

Similar data show the NHS to provide better total care, FREE TO ALL RESIDENTS, in chiild mortality, obstetric services, and health care for the elderly.

So yeah, in the last few years, political decisions in the UK to act more like the US have worsened the NHS, but it still is better than what we in the US have.

Not opinion. Objectively. Numerically.

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Posted by OakTree on 05/06/2017 at 9:58 AM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@CL

I think that is right. Given the Veterans Administrations' record, it is really hard for me to think our federal government can effectively run a single payer system.

Like I said, pick any two of my three options. If we as a people want universal health coverage, something has to give, as the British system well shows.

One of the more intriguing Republican solutions I have heard is that of the government providing basic services while subsidizing insurance companies, who would provide high risk pools for the elderly and those facing the possibility of catastrophic illness. I have no idea on the details of that, but worth exploring.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/06/2017 at 9:53 AM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

APop,
Not entirely off topic, but a flip on your link, I am wondering what system (health or other) is better if run poorly? Of the top of my head I am thinking death squads. I would have said the Republican Party, but boy have I been proven wrong.

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Posted by CL Mullins on 05/06/2017 at 9:39 AM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@Oak

Guess there are differing opinions on the British healthcare system.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/he…

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/06/2017 at 8:03 AM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

Oaktree, When you were in grad school coca cola was a nickle and doctors made house calls. Your history is not applicable.

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Posted by Nick R on 05/05/2017 at 10:58 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@Nick - There are resources available for people outside of the PPACA, even right here in town. When I was in grad school here I was entirely uninsured, but had kids delivered and major surgeries, and even emergency room stuff, by accessing that network. I was un-tense then too.

So no, you're not right. In both cases.

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Posted by OakTree on 05/05/2017 at 10:37 PM

Re: “Mark Green Out as Choice for Army Head

Viola and now Green out... Someone needs to start vetting these guys for Trump. I mean any average HR department could have done better than these candidates... Sheesh!

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Posted by OakTree on 05/05/2017 at 10:23 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

Oaktree, Sorry I don't really keep up with your biography. And I see by your supplied info that I was right and that your ability to remain un-tense is due to your un-reliance on Obamacare. Those who do rely on it such as it is might be excused for being a little tense.

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Posted by Nick R on 05/05/2017 at 10:22 PM

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