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Re: “Author of Heritage Protection Act Cautions City About 'Consequences'

That one seeks to hoist up in honor those who supported, boasted, and perpetuated the institution of owning individuals and declaring them 3/5 of a person... is absolutely ludicrous to me. Yes, I am aware that many of the founding fathers also owned slaves - sadly in my own family's history there was slave ownership; I wish to heck there wasn't. That "he did many good things" is a moot point - he traded and sold people for his own profit. I know that slavery has been a way of life for millennia and in many cultures; this doesn't make it right. Why things were done one way or another in the 19th century and before... I cannot answer to or begin to fathom. But, I cannot for the life of me put forth the notion that we should give it reverential honor. Put the statues in a museum or on museum grounds where the history can be told properly. We will not get past issues of the present until we confront honestly the issues of the past. You wouldn't want a statue of Bin Laden at ground zero... You wouldn't want a statue of Tojo or Yamamoto at Pearl Harbor. You wouldn't want a statue of Sherman in the middle of Atlanta or US Grant here in Memphis at Hunt Phelan. I respect history and historical significance.. but glory be there are other ways!

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Posted by Mollee Ostrander on 09/08/2017 at 5:38 PM

Re: “Author of Heritage Protection Act Cautions City About 'Consequences'

Sorry, Jean. I may be off on that. I think he put on some Kenny G, lit a few candles and drew a warm bath before he violated and destroyed lives. You're in denial. Or maybe you just don't care. I'm going to raze this statue. Would love to meet you before it comes down.

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Posted by DaveClancy on 09/08/2017 at 5:00 PM

Re: “Author of Heritage Protection Act Cautions City About 'Consequences'

Jean,
You don't mean to suggest that the masters didn't get drunk before raping their slaves. Cut them some slack.

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Posted by CL Mullins on 09/08/2017 at 3:35 PM

Re: “Author of Heritage Protection Act Cautions City About 'Consequences'

Go to original sources about NB Forrest. He did a great deal for Civil Rights after the war. Read his address to a black organization, Independent Order of Pole Bearers Association (forerunner of the NAACP) on July 5,1875. It is unwise to allow people to move monuments based on one (often inaccurate) characteristic of a life. He was not the racist Lincoln was. Forrest certainly didn't believe in white supremacy. DaveClancy, where did you get the drunk and rape scenario? From the media? I read a reporter who described Lee and Jackson as "Leaders of the Secession movement." Lee didn't believe in secession or white supremacy. Jackson was teaching at VMI and teaching black people to read and write before the war, not leading secession.

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Posted by Jean Hart on 09/08/2017 at 3:27 PM

Re: “Author of Heritage Protection Act Cautions City About 'Consequences'

"The removal of Monuments is a Radical measure." No it's not. Radical is getting drunk at 2am and raping a slave in her quarters. Man, I''m not whining, but I have stage 4 cancer with absolutely nothing to lose at this point. Nothing would make me happier, Steve-O, than to go raze that piece-of-shit statue with a little help from my friends. Consequences? I don't care. Now, get back to your reenactment, little boy. Who sponsors that shit, Hasbro?

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Posted by DaveClancy on 09/08/2017 at 10:20 AM

Re: “Author of Heritage Protection Act Cautions City About 'Consequences'

Thanks to the Sons of Confederate Veterans now I will never have to stop playing dress up

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Posted by :) on 09/08/2017 at 9:09 AM

Re: “Author of Heritage Protection Act Cautions City About 'Consequences'

Many have been deceived alright -- like you RadarGort, if that is your real name. Go to primary sources, they're abundant. Read the articles of secession. Read the cornerstone speech. Indeed, there were additional tensions, but the primary cause was protection of, and ability to expand the institution of chattel slavery, the lifestyle it afforded, and economic system it created. But, in the spirit of fairness, let me play your game and pretend it was only, say, the 5th most important reason for the war -- What does that considerable shift in emphasis mean? It means the south seceded from the union and spilled American blood to preserve and expand the institution of chattel slavery. So, it means nothing. Yours has always been a dishonest argument, but it's now also time to confront the fact that it's not very clever or convincing, even in its best light. So the Civil War was about Slavery or it was about X, Y, and Slavery -- I'm just not seeing the "Southland's" moral high ground, here. This certainly won't convince you, but it's time to stop letting this garbage distract. The South's had plenty of time to heal, it's time to rip the band-aids off.

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Posted by Chris Davis on 09/08/2017 at 8:11 AM

Re: “Author of Heritage Protection Act Cautions City About 'Consequences'

There is more to the American Southern Confederacy than just "slavery". Many have been deceived into believing that Slavery was the Main and Only issue for the war Between the States......If it was then all that the South had to do was to Remain in the Union as Slavery Was Protected By Constitutional Law of the United States. We don't like it today and don't agree to it but Slavery was part of the American Culture during that Era of time. We should not judge a society of almost 200 years ago by today's standards-------things were different back then. Most All of the Northern states had allowed slavery at one time. Slavery was legal before the American Colonies became the United States..By legal process and vote the Northern states began to end the institution of slavery in their states, BUT it was still Legal under the US Constitution. Do people not find it strange that if the Union army was fighting to end slavery why were the Border States of Maryland, Kentucky, Delaware, and Missouri permitted to keep their slaves during the war? And why was West Virginia permitted to enter the Union during the war as a slave state? Slavery did not officially end until some 8 months after the war ended because under US law the Congress has to vote to have a law changed -------this is legal process of our system of government. Slavery was becoming less popular and no doubt the South would have ended it (by legal process and vote and legal legislation) like the North had done and without threat from Radical abolitionists and coercion from government. While slavery was an issue other factors should be considered why the Southern states left the Union ...states rights, Constitutional law and one big reason was the heavy tariff that the government had levied on the Southern States that was greatly benefiting the Northern states. our Southern forefathers have been branded as Racists and traitors and this is plain Lies and Slander--------they were Americans-Southern Patriots who were defending their homes and families from the Onslaught of destruction, death and mayhem brought on by the invading Union forces.. Our Courageous southern men and women, White, Black. Hispanic, American Indian including some Asians Deserve to be remembered for their Heroic acts during this great conflict when Americans were fighting Americans for the conviction of Defending the Southland.....

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Posted by RadarGort on 09/08/2017 at 12:48 AM

Re: “Author of Heritage Protection Act Cautions City About 'Consequences'

David Gass, It's spelled LIBRARY walk in, it's free.
Randy, We of the South my ass. My family has been in the South for400 years and you don't speak for us, so knock off the "We" crap. We fought in the Confederacy and marched for Civil Rights. The Confederates were either mistaken or forced into it, neither deserves to be remembered admirably. Bad leaders or evil men deserved to be in a Public Square only at the end of a rope.

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Posted by crackoamerican on 09/07/2017 at 8:27 PM

Re: “Author of Heritage Protection Act Cautions City About 'Consequences'

I have traveled in every state in the country except Maine, Hawaii and Alaska. I have spent about 20 weeks in all parts of Europe too. Contrary to what the City Fathers have said - Statues and Monuments exist all over the country and are placed by Descendants to honor the fallen and the political leadership of the time. We in the South are proud of our Families and expect them to be respected the same way we respect yours. Your family may have marched with Martin- but mine fought with Lee! Most Confederates were drafted by their state and served with honor and dignity.We demand them to be remembered in the Public Square just like all other Men and Women who fought in other conflicts are. The removal of Monuments is a Radical measure that should not allowed in any circumstance. When a local government passes extreme law - we have the right to appeal to the State or Federal government for redress.

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Posted by Randy Hendon on 09/07/2017 at 4:43 PM

Re: “Author of Heritage Protection Act Cautions City About 'Consequences'

Lol, I know what "exoneration" Mr (and I use the term loosely) Gass in mentioning.

The entire point of that "investigation" was the exoneration of NBF and it was well funded to come up with that conclusion.

Without that fraudulent investigation, there would have been no justified reason that NBF not be executed for his crimes.

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Posted by FUNKbrs on 09/07/2017 at 4:40 PM

Re: “Author of Heritage Protection Act Cautions City About 'Consequences'

As a writer, and with the dubious connection that implies with regards to doing research and finding the truth, perhaps the writer would like to correct his piece by pointing out the details that General Forrest was actually exonerated of the charges of murder at Ft Pillow, and it was found instead the the Union side was responsible. And that General Forrest's only official action as leader of the KKK was to disband it. Now, if the TRUTH bothers Mr Baker, then perhaps another, easier job would be better for him. Perhaps dog catcher.

A word from Mr CrackheadAmerican above, there were no trophies of any kind awarded after the War for Southern Independence. Unless you, in all your exalted Sm@rtassedness, can look upon the graves of 675,000 American soldiers and 50,000 Southern civilians (over 5 MILLION) by today's standards, with that same stupid reptillian smirk on your face.

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Posted by David Gass on 09/07/2017 at 4:07 PM

Re: “Author of Heritage Protection Act Cautions City About 'Consequences'

It's pretty amazing that the original Confederates surrendered Memphis after about a 15 minute battle, but will fight for their "participation trophies" for years on end.

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Posted by crackoamerican on 09/07/2017 at 2:51 PM

Re: “Author of Heritage Protection Act Cautions City About 'Consequences'

So, we let some yahoo from a flyspeck of a town try to intimidate a major city. He must be taking lessons from the North Korea playbook.

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Posted by Dave Cambron on 09/07/2017 at 1:51 PM

Re: “Author of Heritage Protection Act Cautions City About 'Consequences'

Let's cut to the chase. The erection of these monuments, in the 20th century, were and are a direct honor and celebration of White supremacy. Those who defend them are, for all their flowery rhetoric, defenders and enablers of that ideology. With that said, since they can't be torn down or moved, then it is incumbent that they be rendered less than in their physical environment. Time to commission some works on the defenders of Fort Pickering and the Union Navy flotilla which conquered Memphis. "There is more than one way to skin a cat!"

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Posted by jrgolden on 09/07/2017 at 1:38 PM

Re: “Author of Heritage Protection Act Cautions City About 'Consequences'

So if the "consequences" this hoodless Klansman is threatening Memphis with aren't in the law... he's threatening us with extra legal "consequences".

You know, the Klan was famous for threatening people with unspecified "consequences" before one of their terrorist night rides where they would lynch people.

Is that what Mcdaniels is attempting to affiliate himself with?

I'd have more respect for the man if he had enough respect for himself to pull a sheet over his face so his parents don't have live with the shame of having it openly known a massacre-apologist is the result of their parenting.

Why are hoodless terrorist Klansmen tolerated?

Oh, yeah, Nashville and pride in "folk" traditions.

If a homeless man threatens a shopkeeper with unspecified "consequences" he'd be arrested for making credible threats under the assault statute.

I guess if you're a powerful white man with pride in your hatredage, there's a different standard of justice.

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Posted by FUNKbrs on 09/07/2017 at 8:01 AM

Re: “"What, Me Worry?": Local Party Officials Slow to Criticize Trump for Reaction

Exodus 20

I am the Lord you God who brought You out of Slavery.
You shall have No other "gods" before ME!
You shall NOT MAKE for YOURSELF and IMAGE in the form of ANYTHING in heaven, ABOVE or ON THE earth,
OR in the waters beloW. You shall not BOW DOWN to them or WORSHIP them; for I am a jealous God, punishing the children the Children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, BUT showing LOVE to a thousand generations of those who LOVE ME and keep MY COMMANDMENTS....

People have been conquering land, resources and killing people ;taking slaves in every country throughout human history. People like to say slavery is condoned by God.Throughout many Bible verses He outlines "how.slaves should be treated, but he never gives His express permission allowing folks to conquer any land, own,or kill, .people..

How do we know this: Honor (don't conquer, kill, enslave) your fathers or mothers
Don't murder anybody, don't commit adultry with or against with anybody, don't steal from any people, land or resources, DON"T (go (covet) into your neighbor's house don't lie to your neighbor's--if you lie, steal somebody's stuff.
Then God talks about Idols and Altars; In Exodus v.22,23 God repeats His warning from v. 4; do not make for yourself in any form of anything... He was talking to the Israelites in love and all the people of the earth and future generations of sinners;not just the Jews.Read this stuff yourself,and TEAR down ALL of those statues and alters.
This country killed millions of indigenous and African people (yes black folk in Africa did the same, so this the Chinese, Russians - Europeans who came to America FIRST) Everybody is in deep trouble. Nazi's-God help us!

"This is the First Commandment
Jesus- Thou shall love the Lord Thy God,with all thy heart and SOUL and all thy mind.This is the First and GREAT commandment. The second : Thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself

Ecclesiastes: I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless a chasing after the wind.
Heather Heyer died for statue and a flag : WE all should be ashamed!

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Posted by Debra Morris on 08/26/2017 at 12:06 PM

Re: “Corker as Change Agent

Debra,
Trump had zero to do with getting us into Afghanistan. The evil old reprobates are all the oval office offal these last 60+ years.

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Posted by CL Mullins on 08/26/2017 at 11:02 AM

Re: “Corker as Change Agent

Donald Trump is and evil old reprobate!!!

That's what I think!!!!

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Posted by Debra Morris on 08/26/2017 at 8:41 AM

Re: “Angry Mayor Responds to Critics on Statue Removal

Move that grave marker and his body back the Elmwood where it should be. There with the other dead of that era and there ideals. Do not forget there are still millions of actual slaves making our stuff every day. They are the underpinning of our way of life and that needs to see change. We would be hard pressed to find anyone in America really willing to do what that would take. Forrest continued the slave trade after emancipation with the "prison lease system" encouraging the incarceration of the poor nd uneducated which happened to be at that time newly freed slaves. http://slaveryfootprint.org

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Posted by Eric Swartz on 08/22/2017 at 9:55 AM

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