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Re: “Cohen Reacts to Comey Firing

Well, Pop, you can sit back and wait for it to unfold. But I'm thankful for the media right now. I would prefer we didn't have to hear about chump's shenanigans all day, every day. But as long as we have an idiot in the White House, I'm going to be paying very close attention to the speculation.

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Posted by nobody on 05/12/2017 at 8:09 AM

Re: “Cohen Reacts to Comey Firing

Oak,

It has indeed.

Thanks to everyone, and I mean everyone, who participated.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/11/2017 at 9:45 PM

Re: “Reinventing the Wheel

All I'm going to say here, is that it's nice to see a bunch of local people trying to get an effective Democratic Party organization rebuilt. In order for democracy (little D) to work, you have to have a selection of qualified leaders to choose from at election time. Without a local party that has some depth and breadth to it, you can't get those kind of people to run. And the failure to field qualified leaders will make it impossible to compete with the dominant Republicans for state and local offices..

As a moderate, I like the idea of more choice. Good on you all for doing this!

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Posted by OakTree on 05/11/2017 at 9:18 PM

Re: “Cohen Reacts to Comey Firing

This has been a really interesting discussion. Thank you all.

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Posted by OakTree on 05/11/2017 at 8:43 PM

Re: “Cohen Reacts to Comey Firing

@CL

Great one, there!

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/11/2017 at 7:48 PM

Re: “Cohen Reacts to Comey Firing

APop,
I thought you were referring to the op-ed pieces concerning Nixon.
Oh yeah, the Clintons were guilty, fat lot of good it did us.
As for selective memory, I have no control over my memory as I recall.

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Posted by CL Mullins on 05/11/2017 at 7:08 PM

Re: “Cohen Reacts to Comey Firing

@CL

I was taking about persuasive power.

But you have a selective memory, my dear sir.

Go back to the Whitewater investigation and read some of the op-eds published by the conservative press. That investigation took years over schedule and was expanded into areas far removed from the original purpose. Led by the redoubtable Ken Starr, what started off as an investigation into real estate dealings morphed into an investigation into Bill Clinton's affair with Ms Lewinsky, and even into the death of a White House aide. The conservative press ate it up. I can remember reading, in an editorial, that the crooked real estate dealings were small potatoes; The Clinton's were actually guilty of Murder! Murder no less. Allegations made with no proof at all. In fact, the Clintons were never prosecuted because of that lack of proof. Yet, reputations were tarnished, rights were trampled in the process.

Like I said, I have seen all this before. Extremely sad the Press, who could act as the grownups in the room since Congress will not, just urge it on instead of restoring reason.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/11/2017 at 6:34 PM

Re: “Cohen Reacts to Comey Firing

APop,
And yet all the bullshit op-eds, were right.
And since the spineless bastards in Congress will to only react to being given money or to the loss of votes, an outraged, if not totally t-crossed and i-dotted public, will push the investigation.

Posted by CL Mullins on 05/11/2017 at 6:13 PM

Re: “Cohen Reacts to Comey Firing

@Nobody

Right now, it is pure speculation that anybody has done anything illegal or immoral. Much less possibly have committed treason, or that (per Mr. Cohen) our democracy is in danger, or that (per many Democrats) this is Watergate all over again, and much other loose talk beside that.

Investigations lead to the truth. The investigations are not complete and we don't know the truth yet, so it is pure speculation at this point. The existence of an investigation does not prove anything one way or the other. It is all political theater at this point. But stand by, it may turn into something else if evidence of wrong-doing is found.

The press, either side, is not about to take my advice on anything. What I would say is that it might be best to realize your role is to protect our freedom. not degrade our rights or cheapen the political discourse. That all persons are innocent until proven guilty, and please take the majority of those talking heads off the air. I am not sure who two-thirds of them are anyway or why in hell I should pay attention to what they say. Cover public hearings from end to end and please spare us your biased analysis afterwards. Remember what got Nixon tossed. It was when TV covered the public hearings. For me, it was hearing sworn testimony from Nixon associates that persuaded me he was guilty as hell. All the bullshit op-eds in the world were not as persuasive as that was.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/11/2017 at 6:03 PM

Re: “Cohen Reacts to Comey Firing

Well, it's more than just pure speculation because there is an FBI investigation and a congressional hearing. It's not like it's just a bunch people making things up. It's based on what's happening right now. And the news is reporting it because most people in the US and many in the rest of the world want to know what's happening. It makes me pretty anxious to be in the dark about the President.
Should the media just sit back and say nothing until there's a conviction based on hard evidence?

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Posted by nobody on 05/11/2017 at 5:40 PM

Re: “Cohen Reacts to Comey Firing

@CL

I don't know about that one, CL.

I think that might be best reserved for actions that led to an arrest or indictment.

But here are some more I found in the Flyer just today:

"quite possible"
"appeared"
"committed possible treason"
"should be terrified"

Read it yourself. See any solid indication any of that is beyond pure speculation? Of course it is the writers's perfect right to speculate as much as he wants. Further, The Flyer is an alternate newspaper and no one holds The Flyer to the same standards as a mainstream media outlet. Even further, Bruce has a commitment to free speech that sets an example to others. He walks that walk.

Still, does that stuff really advance the cause of justice, get us closer to the truth, or raise the level of political discourse?

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/11/2017 at 4:51 PM

Re: “Cohen Reacts to Comey Firing

APop,
How 'bout, alleged.

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Posted by CL Mullins on 05/11/2017 at 4:05 PM

Re: “Cohen Reacts to Comey Firing

Heck, just go to the websites right now.

CNN and MSNBC are covered with articles questioning Trump's motives in firing Comey, trying to parse the stories that are coming out, attempting to discredit what's been said by Trump and team, etc. If you go to those sites, this issue looks like the ONLY thing going on in the world, and it's one of the biggest scandals ever.

Fox has a couple articles on Comey and why it was right for him to be fired and multiple iterations of how the Dems are hypocrites for complaining about his firing now when they were clamoring for his firing a few months back. Then they have a smattering of stories on Corrine Brown's tax evasion (she's a Dem), and earlier today had speculation on whether a new FBI director could lead to the re-opening of Hillary's investigation.

It's night and day, and these are supposed to be our major national news sources. Reality is, they're nothing but shills for a political party.

The only thing that makes it not Orwellian is the fact that there are two different viewpoints being given, though they're both Orwellian in nature.

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Posted by GroveReb84 on 05/11/2017 at 3:43 PM

Re: “Cohen Reacts to Comey Firing

@Grove

I agree.

Watching CNN and MSNBC report the news and then watching FOX report the same news, is like living in the twilight zone.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/11/2017 at 3:14 PM

Re: “Cohen Reacts to Comey Firing

@mejjep

I don't know why you would seriously doubt it.

I am the one who brought up Whitewater, which was a Republican witch hunt against the Clintons.

This is politics being played at the highest level. Or the lowest level, depending on your point of view. Maybe both.

I am not saying there is not something to it, you understand. Investigations into the conduct of President Nixon, President Clinton and Hillary have all proven to have a factual basis for charges of misbehavior, in some cases criminal behavior. That might prove to be the case here. Or not.

If that does prove to be the case here, lets prosecute the evil-doers.

Just haven't seen any proof yet. Not to mention the rhetoric coming from Democrats is waaaaay over the top.

I will leave it to you to consider if they really thought all these insinuations were true, they would not take a more measured position, let the investigations complete.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/11/2017 at 2:58 PM

Re: “Cohen Reacts to Comey Firing

@mejjep,

Agreed. I use Benghazi as an example. The Republicans were doing the same thing, attempting to use it for political gain, by keeping an investigation open.

Depending on your political bent, you either claimed that evidence was going to be uncovered, or you claimed that the investigation was likely only for political gain and had no merit.

It doesn't help that our media sources feed us these stories the way we want to be fed, so that I can go consume the right or left version of my choosing and accept that version as truth. It kinda inhibits the ability for dialogue.

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Posted by GroveReb84 on 05/11/2017 at 2:44 PM

Re: “Cohen Reacts to Comey Firing

AP....But is the reason you're waiting for evidence to jump is because the person in question is a Republican? If this were a Democrat, would you feel the same way? I seriously doubt it.

I think it's fair to say there is plenty of hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle to go around...and for members of either party to start finger-pointed at the other, as if the same exact thing does not rampantly exist for their own party members, is the biggest reason this country is going to hell in a handbasket.

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Posted by mejjep on 05/11/2017 at 1:34 PM

Re: “Cohen Reacts to Comey Firing

@Nobody

One more comment if I may, please.

The political purpose behind all this for Trumps' foes is not to come to a resolution, at least not anytime soon. The idea is to keep the issue alive until full political advantage can be taken. Thus the call for a Special Prosecutor. The Senate and House Committees are non-partisan, although the calls for a Special Prosecutor do not seem to recognize that fact. The FBI will conduct its investigation as usual,under the direction of the DOJ career prosecutors. In particular Rod Rosenstein, who was an Obama appointee. Note that this investigation is and always has been directed by the DOJ, not the Director of the FBI. So unless one has lost faith in the Democrats on the committees, and the professionals at the FBI, there is no need for a SP.

Special Prosecutors take years to finish their work.They go down every rabbit-hole, regardless of how remote the opportunity to learn anything ne. That is perfectly fine for the Trump's political opponents who want the ISSUE kept alive as long a possible, preferably past the 2020 Presidential elections. All the better to cast dark assertions and weave mysterious conspiracy theories about Russian collusion, and decry the death of our democracy. Without having to offer any proof.

McConnell is not going to have any of that.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/11/2017 at 1:27 PM

Re: “Cohen Reacts to Comey Firing

@Nobody

One of the advantages of being around for while is that I have seen all this before.

I can even remember when Whitewater was a huge deal, too. The Republican made it a HUGE political scandal. Except there was in reality no scandal, no evidence of wrongdoing on Ms Clintons' part.

So here we go again. Accusations without proof, insinuations without cause or evidence of wrongdoing. All in the name of gaining political advantage.

So I am willing to wait for evidence before I jump on the hanging party bandwagon.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/11/2017 at 11:51 AM

Re: “Cohen Reacts to Comey Firing

Oh yeah - you are correct that all we have to go on is speculation right now as far as Comey's termination.
What makes it "politically driven" is that chump supporters are acting like it's no big deal.
But, in reality, it's a huge deal and everybody should be concerned about it.

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Posted by nobody on 05/11/2017 at 10:23 AM

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