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Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@Oak

But won't the NHS always be in competition for funding from other worthy needs?

Basic problem with state run healthcare.

This time it was defense. Next time perhaps education or infrastructure will claim priority on those funds? Not to mention what happens if there is a severe recession and England's workforce needs more dole money to survive, even as tax receipts that support NHS are dropping.

Something will have to give. Governments must either ration healthcare, or as in this case, cut providers, or provide substandard services, in order to pay the bills.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/06/2017 at 6:32 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

If only they had the good sense to have moved to Memphis.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009…

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Posted by Nick R on 05/06/2017 at 3:44 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

OakTree, Good point, so the question should not be whether excessive numbers of people are dying, but whether they should reasonably feel tense about the increased possibility, given most folks' lack of access to your autobiography.

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Posted by Nick R on 05/06/2017 at 1:07 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@Nick - Ha! That's a great one liner, but Coke hasn't been a nickel in my whole adult life. And the same charitable networks I used back then, to get the care I described, still exist today. The exact same ones. In fact, they are more robust now in Memphis than at any time in previous history.

If people need health care, in Memphis, right now, they can get it. Totally without the PPACA (Obamacare).

So again, your claim of this political dog and pony show actually killing people, is kind of over-the-top melodramatic. That's not really happening. What's happening, is that the charity ecosystem is adjusting to handle the immediate shift in people coming off PPACA subsidies, while they work for a more permanent solution to the problem.

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Posted by OakTree on 05/06/2017 at 10:07 AM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@AP - No doubt Cameron starved the NHS system of its customary capital budget in order to buy F35's. But the decrement in the UK health is described this way in your article:

"..The organisation called for urgent attention to combat high rates of smoking, harmful alcohol consumption and obesity, which are all above the OECD average, to reduce premature mortality in the United Kingdom. Some 19 per cent of adults in the OECD are obese on average, but the figure in the UK is 25 per cent..."

For comparison, the OECD says the current US overweight and obese percentages have risen to to about SEVENTY PERCENT:

https://data.oecd.org/healthrisk/overweigh…

Similar data show the NHS to provide better total care, FREE TO ALL RESIDENTS, in chiild mortality, obstetric services, and health care for the elderly.

So yeah, in the last few years, political decisions in the UK to act more like the US have worsened the NHS, but it still is better than what we in the US have.

Not opinion. Objectively. Numerically.

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Posted by OakTree on 05/06/2017 at 9:58 AM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@CL

I think that is right. Given the Veterans Administrations' record, it is really hard for me to think our federal government can effectively run a single payer system.

Like I said, pick any two of my three options. If we as a people want universal health coverage, something has to give, as the British system well shows.

One of the more intriguing Republican solutions I have heard is that of the government providing basic services while subsidizing insurance companies, who would provide high risk pools for the elderly and those facing the possibility of catastrophic illness. I have no idea on the details of that, but worth exploring.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/06/2017 at 9:53 AM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

APop,
Not entirely off topic, but a flip on your link, I am wondering what system (health or other) is better if run poorly? Of the top of my head I am thinking death squads. I would have said the Republican Party, but boy have I been proven wrong.

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Posted by CL Mullins on 05/06/2017 at 9:39 AM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@Oak

Guess there are differing opinions on the British healthcare system.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/he…

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/06/2017 at 8:03 AM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

Oaktree, When you were in grad school coca cola was a nickle and doctors made house calls. Your history is not applicable.

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Posted by Nick R on 05/05/2017 at 10:58 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@Nick - There are resources available for people outside of the PPACA, even right here in town. When I was in grad school here I was entirely uninsured, but had kids delivered and major surgeries, and even emergency room stuff, by accessing that network. I was un-tense then too.

So no, you're not right. In both cases.

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Posted by OakTree on 05/05/2017 at 10:37 PM

Re: “Mark Green Out as Choice for Army Head

Viola and now Green out... Someone needs to start vetting these guys for Trump. I mean any average HR department could have done better than these candidates... Sheesh!

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Posted by OakTree on 05/05/2017 at 10:23 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

Oaktree, Sorry I don't really keep up with your biography. And I see by your supplied info that I was right and that your ability to remain un-tense is due to your un-reliance on Obamacare. Those who do rely on it such as it is might be excused for being a little tense.

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Posted by Nick R on 05/05/2017 at 10:22 PM
Posted by OakTree on 05/05/2017 at 9:58 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

I don't think that universal engineering adage applies to healthcare. I submit that the British National Health is all three. And I would love to clone it here.

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Posted by OakTree on 05/05/2017 at 9:48 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@Nick - You have a short memory. I think I've mentioned a number of times that I am a retired military officer. And that I am old. I also have mentioned that I am gainfully employed at a large institution in a teaching capacity, full time. So I'm not eligible for Obamacare. I however AM eligible for a couple other different options for healthcare benefits.

Still, I would be very careful in making assumptions about Obamacare keeping people from dying. Creating a tally of the harms it has caused is just as important as the benefits it has given. It is quite true that it extended benefits to those who haven't ever had them before. But that temporary benefit was never financed fully, nor self-supporting in design. It was created with the full knowledge that it would either fall apart, at which point the conversation would turn to universal coverage, or the individual states would have to take up the financial slack.

It is facile to point out that those who have benefits now, need them. Of course they do.

But the PPACA (Obamacare) didn't cover everybody. Anybody who defends it, is defending the US government ignoring all those other people whom it didn't cover, and letting them die.

You don't care about them dying, do you Nick?

See? I can do it too.

Stupid argument, huh?

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Posted by OakTree on 05/05/2017 at 9:42 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@Oak

You can have universal coverage.

You can have high quality healthcare.

You can have affordable healthcare.

Pick any two that floats your boat. All three are not possible.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/05/2017 at 9:06 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

CLAP?
This is what I get when I agree with APop.

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Posted by CL Mullins on 05/05/2017 at 8:35 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@CL,AP - It's just so complicated to figure out a way to make money for bankers and stockholders if you don't have insurance companies in there. That's why they are having a hard time figuring out a compromise that works for them.

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Posted by OakTree on 05/05/2017 at 7:59 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

APop,
Among us rational sorts, Obama care ain't (as you well described) a viable option. Medicare for all. And of course march the Insurance/Healthcare biz out into the steppes and blast 'em. It's so simple, very un-Congressional.

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Posted by CL Mullins on 05/05/2017 at 7:37 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@CL

But Little Johnny has his wonderful Obamacare in the meantime.

Provided of course his family can pay the premiums, afford the deductibles and can find a physician that will accept it. Or for that matter find an insurance company willing to sell him a policy in the first place.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/05/2017 at 6:53 PM

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