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Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@Nick - You have a short memory. I think I've mentioned a number of times that I am a retired military officer. And that I am old. I also have mentioned that I am gainfully employed at a large institution in a teaching capacity, full time. So I'm not eligible for Obamacare. I however AM eligible for a couple other different options for healthcare benefits.

Still, I would be very careful in making assumptions about Obamacare keeping people from dying. Creating a tally of the harms it has caused is just as important as the benefits it has given. It is quite true that it extended benefits to those who haven't ever had them before. But that temporary benefit was never financed fully, nor self-supporting in design. It was created with the full knowledge that it would either fall apart, at which point the conversation would turn to universal coverage, or the individual states would have to take up the financial slack.

It is facile to point out that those who have benefits now, need them. Of course they do.

But the PPACA (Obamacare) didn't cover everybody. Anybody who defends it, is defending the US government ignoring all those other people whom it didn't cover, and letting them die.

You don't care about them dying, do you Nick?

See? I can do it too.

Stupid argument, huh?

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Posted by OakTree on 05/05/2017 at 9:42 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@Oak

You can have universal coverage.

You can have high quality healthcare.

You can have affordable healthcare.

Pick any two that floats your boat. All three are not possible.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/05/2017 at 9:06 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

CLAP?
This is what I get when I agree with APop.

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Posted by CL Mullins on 05/05/2017 at 8:35 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@CL,AP - It's just so complicated to figure out a way to make money for bankers and stockholders if you don't have insurance companies in there. That's why they are having a hard time figuring out a compromise that works for them.

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Posted by OakTree on 05/05/2017 at 7:59 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

APop,
Among us rational sorts, Obama care ain't (as you well described) a viable option. Medicare for all. And of course march the Insurance/Healthcare biz out into the steppes and blast 'em. It's so simple, very un-Congressional.

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Posted by CL Mullins on 05/05/2017 at 7:37 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@CL

But Little Johnny has his wonderful Obamacare in the meantime.

Provided of course his family can pay the premiums, afford the deductibles and can find a physician that will accept it. Or for that matter find an insurance company willing to sell him a policy in the first place.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/05/2017 at 6:53 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

APop and Oak,
I'm sure Little Johnny will be content to wait til this is all sorted out. At least he no longer has to compete with Juanito on that transplant list.

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Posted by CL Mullins on 05/05/2017 at 6:43 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@AP - Indeed. But I think President Trump has learned not to let Congress drive the agenda, especially after Ryan screwed the pooch so badly with the first attempt at healthcare reform. The question will resolve to whether or not Trump can force our 100 iconoclastic senators to tango to the tempo he beats out, by some means other than simple persuasion. I personally think he has some workable options, because he has very little in the way of traditional Beltway scruples, and his tactics likely will compel them to dance. I don't have any specifics on what those will be, merely the observation that he doesn't really care what people think of him, and that he has a long record of poking people until they fidget.

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Posted by OakTree on 05/05/2017 at 6:35 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@Oak

Well, the administration has its timetable and the Senate will have theirs.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/05/2017 at 6:08 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@AP - I might agree with you, but I think the current administration wants an hypothetical 'savings' with the health care bill, in order to move on their real goal: an income tax bill. Because that is where they are really driving, they won't get caught in the health care bill parking lot, where so many legislative vehicles have run out of gas.

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Posted by OakTree on 05/05/2017 at 5:49 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

Oaktree, I am guessing that you don't depend on the ACA to keep you from dying.

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Posted by Nick R on 05/05/2017 at 5:41 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

The same folks that got screwed under Obamacare will get screwed under chumpcare. Only more so.

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Posted by nobody on 05/05/2017 at 5:18 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@Oak

Months away at best. The 52 Republicans in the Senate will all have to get a bill they can agree on and then off to Conference to get a finished product.

I am guessing next year.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/05/2017 at 5:16 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

If someone can't afford insurance for a while, they should definitely be punished with incredibly high premiums when they finally can afford it.... therefore making it still unaffordable. Fuck the struggling. They don't deserve insurance. They failed because they didn't plan for their struggles.

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Posted by nobody on 05/05/2017 at 5:12 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

Grove - let's all hope and pray that it gets turned into something very far from the current bill.
But even if the final version of the bill is pure gold that makes everyone happy, we all need to remember this horrible piece of garbage that 217 Republicans thought was good for Americans. This shows where their priorities are. Hint: they're not with the average working Joe, or the poor, or the elderly.

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Posted by nobody on 05/05/2017 at 5:06 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

I'm with Grove. No reason to get tense, until we see actual law.

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Posted by OakTree on 05/05/2017 at 4:59 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

Cohen votes the party line 100% of the time. Not an original thought in his head.

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Posted by Clyde on 05/05/2017 at 3:54 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

Kustoff votes the Party line 100% of the time. Not an original thought in his head.

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Posted by Dave Cambron on 05/05/2017 at 3:35 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

Let's also be clear that the House version of the bill will never become law. Senate Republicans have already said they plan to do a re-write, and they're going to do it based off the estimates they're given on the impact of the bill.

I will withhold judgement on the passage of this until the final version is actually signed into law. Then we'll know better what will and won't really be covered.

Personally, I hope that they eliminate the individual mandate. That's un-American to me, and I also believe that it makes health care a tax. I also hope that they relax the pre-existing condition pieces, so that if you have failed to maintain insurance, you aren't allowed to just go buy it at normal price when you finally have an illness. If you maintain insurance, then I absolutely agree that you shouldn't be denied continued service based on illness. If you haven't been paying for insurance for years, you shouldn't be allowed to get it cheaply the minute that you get sick.

That's a failure on your part to plan ahead, and the market doesn't work if you allow people to just wait until they're sick to purchase insurance, and you don't penalize them for skipping out for so many years.

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Posted by GroveReb84 on 05/05/2017 at 12:53 PM

Re: “Cohen, Kustoff Go Opposite Ways on ‘Trumpcare’

@Mempho

"The House Bill was all about cutting taxes for folks in very high tax brackets that derive large amounts of investment income."

You were saying something about talking points?

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/05/2017 at 12:44 PM

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