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Re: “Murder Rate Holds But Violent Crime Up in City, County

CLMullins
No one in my tribe "demands". We ask or we earn. Demanding suggests entitlement. Only the Chitimacha are entitled.

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Posted by PersonalAccountability on 05/20/2017 at 6:23 PM

Re: “Murder Rate Holds But Violent Crime Up in City, County

PersonalAccountability,
So we can best understand personal accountability, perhaps you can give us your personal anonymous experience doing such. It might give your comments some weight.

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Posted by CL Mullins on 05/20/2017 at 6:13 PM

Re: “The White League

Oak,

First of all, I really enjoy your take on this.

Last of all, the Chitimacha lived in a much larger place than NOLA, a fine region you should visit. And while they don't have all they had in 1491,what they have now, they always had. The McIlhenneys mistook people for looms and themselves as saviors, not an unusual liberal ethic even then.

Now, the monument, and I've seen better in Oxford cemeteries, screams white supremacy in a city that is 60% black. It, like the Mississippi flag, is only about subjugation and the oppression of the natives. It has neither the grace or immediacy of grafitti. Just because someone poured some plaster over a turd 100 years ago does nor make it special.

This ain't burning books. This isn't even ancient greek pedophillia pottery
And I don't think equalitarianism and ani slavery is a passing ethos

Posted by CL Mullins on 05/20/2017 at 6:10 PM

Re: “Murder Rate Holds But Violent Crime Up in City, County

Hey I know! Why not send Mayor Strickland to Atlanta to demand that Rev. Jackson provide him with a plan that will end violent crime among his constituency within 30 days? Seems like his followers think that "demanding" is the way to get things done, so a healthy dose of "demanding" might do the trick.

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Posted by PersonalAccountability on 05/20/2017 at 4:28 PM

Re: “The White League

@CL - I was too busy yesterday to reply to this after you wrote it, but let's continue the discussion, because I think it's important. You ask:

"..At what point does racist, marbleized or bronzed, graffiti become a cultural element?.."

First, it's not graffiti. That's its own specific thing, which has been studied quite a bit by art historians and anthropologists, so let's not conflate two things here, this is complicated enough.

The idea of a 'culture element', is an anthropological construct, which refers to some symbol, artifact, language, or value system that characterizes a culture or subculture.

Essentially, one can understand the Reconstruction South as an American subculture which had recently been conquered after the Civil War when these monuments were built. That's why PersonalAccountability's observation, that the Chitimacha tribal battles to hold onto their lands in what is now New Orleans, are very much the original 'Lost Cause', is so apropos.

When a conquered people has to face subjugation, it creates an existential dilemma. Is there, after that fact, a legitimate right to a separate identity? In order to answer that question, in most cases, a mythos is built up, defining group identity, despite domination by a hostile outside world. That mythos can take many forms.

It can be linguistic, as in Wales, where Welch eventually was declared the official language, despite centuries of English domination and attempts to extinguish it. Many native tribes in the Americas, and all slaves, had children forcibly removed from their families, and taught a foreign language such as English, or Spanish, or French, as a means to enculturate them with the dominant 'civilized' culture's attitudes and prejudices.

It doesn't really matter whether or not the cultures being so used were all that great or not. This is still a reprehensible thing to do. Some of them were cannibals, actually. I suspect that's a mite worse than systemic racism, but there's an argument to be made there about whether or not there's much of a difference between consuming flesh or the spirit in either case.

But the culture element we are talking about in the New Orleans case, is monumental architecture. Humans have a long tradition of building stuff to identify who they are. It can be a column in Trafalgar Square, or an arch in Paris, or a pyramid in Teotihuacan.

When Landrieu moved the 'Liberty Monument', he was acting to extinguish a focal point for what has become a problematic divisive threat to the forces of 'civilization'; i.e. the dominant culture's world view and consensus.

In this there is much precedent.

The Spanish did it by building Catholic cathedrals on top of the pyramids in Mesoamerica. The Nazis did it by marching through the Arc de Triomphe de l'Etoile, to denigrate France's sense of Napoleonic superiority. The Estonians did it by tearing down the statue of the Bronze Soldier of Tallinn, and relocating the graves all the Russian soldiers there, after local consensus decided in 2007 that they were oppressors, not liberators.

The reason why I'm bringing all this up, is that in each of these cases, what was happening, was that a piece of history was being demoted or destroyed, in order to serve the dominant cultural ethos of the time.

That last part is what's important. That's what is problematic. Because that ethos changes. And what is obliterated, after all the history is destroyed, may be lost to the sands of time.

That concern here is legitimate.

P.S., The Chitimacha are NOT where God put them, they got pushed out of New Orleans, and their lunch money was taken. The only reason they are in any better position than the Chickasaw, is that biblical thing about the meek inheriting the Earth, and a particularly wealthy and powerful political ally, who advocated for them in the early 1900's, named Sarah McIlhenny. So thank Tabasco sauce for there being more than six families left.

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Posted by OakTree on 05/20/2017 at 1:02 PM

Re: “Murder Rate Holds But Violent Crime Up in City, County

@CL

I was sitting a good way away and am not in any of the videos.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/20/2017 at 12:02 PM

Re: “Murder Rate Holds But Violent Crime Up in City, County

@CL, AP - No one cares. That was pretty mild compared to what I've seen at various inner city high schools in other places like Houston and Chicago. If your general modus operandi is aggressive behavior topped off with a dollop of violence, then that's the face the world sees. And that's what the kids are gonna remember.

Classy.

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Posted by OakTree on 05/20/2017 at 11:37 AM

Re: “Murder Rate Holds But Violent Crime Up in City, County

APop,
I'm sorry for the young lady. And glad most folks weren't affected. (can I see you in any of the videos?)
I only went to my city graduation because some jocks tried to threaten me away. Didn't want to miss that.
I'll just sit here and wait for comments from the urbanista crowd

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Posted by CL Mullins on 05/20/2017 at 11:23 AM

Re: “Murder Rate Holds But Violent Crime Up in City, County

@CL

Just messing with you.

I was actually there. I am guessing 95% of those in attendance never knew anything happened. The High School's orchestra was playing, attention was on the young people as they processed in, and I think the cops got there pretty quickly. I never saw anything and did not know anything had happened until I got a call the next morning asking me to check out the Arlington Facebook page. So I am happy it did not interfere with the graduation ceremony, which went off without a hitch.

Arlington is a pretty small town but we can only identify two of those participating. The larger woman in the brown dress lives in Oakland and was an invited guest. The woman in the striped pants is her sister, lives in Lakeland, and is a parent of a graduate. Don't know who the rest are.

Too bad they chose to behave badly and miss the graduation.

Actually, some of the local comments I have heard out here are pretty funny. Mostly centering on the person's fighting technique and the size of her butt.

Pity the school has been associated in name with this. We are pretty proud of our 500 kids who graduated and the $31 Million in scholarship money they were offered. Proud too of those who were recognized as going into the service of our country by joining the military right after graduation. I feel really sorry for the young lady graduate who was the daughter and niece of these fools. She does not deserve the attention she must be getting from her friends.

There was more talk yesterday about the six year old kidnapped and murdered in Mississippi. A minor incident at a graduation is very small indeed compared to the pain that child's family will feel forever.

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/20/2017 at 10:23 AM

Re: “Memphis Music Hall of Fame Announces 2016 Inductees

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Posted by Macle Johnson on 05/20/2017 at 9:54 AM

Re: “Murder Rate Holds But Violent Crime Up in City, County

APop,
No idea, but I do feel a little guilty taking some measure of pleasure. Those kids had to put up with this.....
But that chunky guy giving the woman a hip bump, .... And at Bellevue Baptist....
Even in Arlington, as Rob Jungklas said, "It's a Memphis Thang"

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Posted by CL Mullins on 05/20/2017 at 9:48 AM

Re: “Fight Over Forrest Statue Isn't Over

@John Spain: "Most people find the statue offensive because they've been misinformed for years by the media, or they don't know the full story. The story of Forrest becoming a Christian, having a change of heart, and dedicating his later years to repairing race relations in the South.

Forrest's speech to the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association July 5, 1875..."

Unless you argument is totally insincere, John Spain (that is to say, total b.s.), you and other supporters of the long dead Nathan Bedford Forrest as "a Christian" should not have any problem with both removing the remains and statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest from the Health Sciences Park in the Medical District and the reburial of the Forrest and his wife under simple grave markers --- sans any Confederate flags and symbols --- within an area historical African-American cemetery.

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Posted by ElmerGantry on 05/20/2017 at 8:59 AM

Re: “Murder Rate Holds But Violent Crime Up in City, County

@CL

I have not seen that.

What happened?

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Posted by ArlingtonPop on 05/20/2017 at 8:50 AM

Re: “Fight Over Forrest Statue Isn't Over

@John Spain: "Let's not be fooled. Let's consider the real reason this has become an issue. The UT Medical Center desperately wants the land the park sits on to expand their campus. THAT is the reason Forrest Park is in the crosshairs, not some altruistic desire to "do good" by our corrupt City Council."

I reside across the state in East Tennessee (actually live closer to Canada than I do to Memphis) and I support the repurposing and renaming of Forrest Park for the expansion of the UT Medical Center - it seems to me that most residents of your city would be city would be in favor of advancing the good of all your living residents instead of blocking progress and deifying the mostly evil acts of a long dead individual.

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Posted by ElmerGantry on 05/20/2017 at 8:41 AM

Re: “Murder Rate Holds But Violent Crime Up in City, County

APop,
I can't help but post this, I just can't
The potential for wise ass remarks is thru the roof
1st, I love Pomp and Circumstance in the background.....
http://www.commercialappeal.com/videos/new…

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Posted by CL Mullins on 05/20/2017 at 7:37 AM

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