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Re: “Mayor: Memphis Situation Different from New Orleans on Confederate Statues

I keep hearing how removing this (and other statues) is some sort of attempt at historic revisionism, but I dont quite follow that line of thought. As far as I can tell Forests life prior to the Civil War, his activities related to that conflict and any and all post-war activities will be available for public consumption and educational purposes regardless of the statues location.
In the case of the New Orleans statuary, the monuments are likely destined for museum. In the case of our own Forest statue, prior proposals seemed to indicate placement within another pseudo-public space: Elmwood Cemetery.

Of course, an entrepreneurial individual willing to take the risk might see the removal of these statues as an opportunity for tourism, albeit somewhat twisted. Lets create a new park for the nations (perhaps the worlds) discarded monuments- an open air warehouse for historys leaders of questionable morals, motives and actions a Memorial Park for statues, if you will. Much like a public art garden, these monuments would be spaced closely (at least relative to their original settings) providing at times towering edifices through which one could wonder. Placards could be placed by interested parties providing both sides of the story in cases where their may be more than one perspective. Come see relocated (not discarded) statues of Forest, Lee, and Jackson, Cecil Rhodes, Napoleon, Mubarak, Dzerzhinsky, al-Qaddafi, Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Assad and Hussein. Even Bill Cosby, Joe Paterno and Michael Jackson would have a place after statues and busts in their likeness have been recently removed from various locals. It would be a VERY unique attraction perhaps similar in nature to the towering eccentric sculptures of Billy Tripps Mindfield and Watts Towers.

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Posted by barf on 05/23/2017 at 2:31 PM

Re: “Mayor: Memphis Situation Different from New Orleans on Confederate Statues

@ncrdbl1,

That's why some of us are suggesting new monuments just be built around the Forest statue. Leave it alone. Let it stand. Just build some other monuments around it that just so happen to be tall enough and wide enough that it becomes really hard to see that it's there.

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Posted by GroveReb84 on 05/23/2017 at 2:30 PM

Re: “Mayor: Memphis Situation Different from New Orleans on Confederate Statues

@Funk,

I have to agree with you there.

Confederate symbols and monuments, in MOST cases were erected or displayed as part of a resistance to unifying the country, or in many cases a resistance to integration efforts.

As I argue with anything, intent is what really matters. The intent of many of these monuments was not to honor the dead, but to make sure that certain people knew their place and couldn't avoid being reminded of their place.

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Posted by GroveReb84 on 05/23/2017 at 2:29 PM

Re: “Mayor: Memphis Situation Different from New Orleans on Confederate Statues

@RadarGort

This guy has a to be a damn Yankee. This is ALL about revisionist history. The fact that the war itself is being taught as a glorious battle to free the slaves is proof of this revision.

Let's talk about the KKK. It was created to resist the abusiveness of the occupying forces during reconstruction. It is often reported that one of the first visits by the KKK was to a black man. But they leave out a few details. This black man had been beating his black wife and when people talked to him about he stated that she was his and he OWNED her. The KKK visited him instructed him on the proper way to treat a lady.

Forest disbanded his version of the KKK at the end of reconstruction. And was NEVER associated with the hate group version of the KKK. In fact he was invited to speak to the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association the predecessor to the NAACP, which was created to secure and protect voting rights for blacks.


Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand. (Prolonged applause.)

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Posted by ncrdbl1 on 05/23/2017 at 2:26 PM

Re: “Beale Street Bucks Gets Heated Debate

It's an attempt to keep poor people off Beale.

Beale Street's fame is that it's a cheap place to party for poor people.

The rich can afford to go to clubs. Beale is for people who can't afford admission.

This is about denying access to social infrastructure to the poor, who very often coincidentally happen to be black (I know, I know, racism doesn't exist, that's why there's statues to Confederates all over the place). The rich don't want to share the playground.

Well the rich didn't pay for Beale. If they want their own playground, they can stay in Overton Square. The truth, of course, is the rich don't know how to party, and come to Beale for the real deal. It's just not a party without poor people.

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Posted by FUNKbrs on 05/23/2017 at 1:56 PM

Re: “Mayor: Memphis Situation Different from New Orleans on Confederate Statues

The Statue is ALSO a part of the gravesite monument and it CANNOT be moved or modified in anyway according to SEVERAL state laws.

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Posted by ncrdbl1 on 05/23/2017 at 1:49 PM

Re: “Mayor: Memphis Situation Different from New Orleans on Confederate Statues

@RadarGort

The onslaught isn't against the American South; rather, the fight is for the preservation of the unity of both the North and South of the United States of America.

The onslaught is against the Confederate South.

Confederates have always been anti-American. Read their literature sometimes.

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Posted by FUNKbrs on 05/23/2017 at 1:40 PM

Re: “Still Fighting Forrest

This is not about history and it never was. Everyone knows history is written by the Victor! The Confederacy lost the war! The only reason these Traitors have statues is to stick their racist thumb in the eyes of black folks! How many Nazis statues in Germany right now! But if you really gave a damn, people all you have to do is show up and vote. Vote those racist out of office. Laws can be changed.

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Posted by ksm359 on 05/23/2017 at 1:15 PM

Re: “Mayor: Memphis Situation Different from New Orleans on Confederate Statues

The Onslaught against the American South is Un-American. Never in the history of the United States have we allowed Historical American Monuments and Statues to be torn down or be destroyed until now. Civilized Societies do not try to suppress or eliminate their unique history---------they learn from it.

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Posted by RadarGort on 05/23/2017 at 12:52 PM

Re: “Mayor: Memphis Situation Different from New Orleans on Confederate Statues

BP - I agree that Strickland doesn't seem to be a visionary. But, to be fair, those visions are a lot easier to form when you have a bigger budget.

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Posted by nobody on 05/23/2017 at 12:45 PM

Re: “Mayor: Memphis Situation Different from New Orleans on Confederate Statues

Correction isn't mere revision and the slope is only pretend slippery. The General in health sciences park isn't George Washington. American history can stand a lot of completion, but there's a difference between imperfect people caught up in history and outright traitors fighting to preserve the institution of human bondage that enriched them. Ol Glory flew over atrocities and miracles. The confederate flag only catches atrocity.

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Posted by Chris Davis on 05/23/2017 at 12:42 PM

Re: “Bluefin's New Korean Menu

I'm glad you had a good experience. My recent experience there was the complete opposite. We went for dinner before the Tom Petty concert. There was only one waitress for the entire restaurant and patio. The bartender walked out while we were there. The food was mediocre at best. The Korean beef tacos were terrible with absolutely no Korean seasoning or sauce. Tables all around us were just getting up and walking out. Food kept coming out wrong to other people around us. It got to be almost comical.

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Posted by MollyP on 05/23/2017 at 12:40 PM

Re: “Mayor: Memphis Situation Different from New Orleans on Confederate Statues

George Washington isn't being memorialized for his rebellion against the United States, or starting the KKK, a terrorist organization. Statues of George Washington were not placed with the specific purpose of reasserting white supremacy after Reconstruction.

The slippery slope argument is not a blanket excuse for failing to make moral judgments about anything.

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Posted by pdquick1 on 05/23/2017 at 12:15 PM

Re: “Mayor: Memphis Situation Different from New Orleans on Confederate Statues

Why don't we just treat the slippery slope of historic revisionism like a water slide?
George Washington was a slave owner. Let's rename Washington DC!
I vote for BobDobbsTown!

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Posted by OakTree on 05/23/2017 at 11:53 AM

Re: “Mayor: Memphis Situation Different from New Orleans on Confederate Statues

After we get rid of all the monuments to the slave traders and apologists, we need to rename the portion of Jackson Avenue that follows the state designated Historic Trail of Tears.

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Posted by Scott Banbury on 05/23/2017 at 11:36 AM

Re: “Mayor: Memphis Situation Different from New Orleans on Confederate Statues

A weak stance from a weak Mayor.

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Posted by Dwayne Butcher on 05/23/2017 at 11:06 AM

Re: “Mayor: Memphis Situation Different from New Orleans on Confederate Statues

This Mayor is a "basics" kinda guy. A visionary, bold leader he is not. While Nashville moves to build a light rail system Jimmy's vision is to pave the roads more often - laudable yes, but inspiring not quite. Jimmy will run around town cutting ribbons at openings that were planned during previous administrations. Hit the snooze button - this city is on auto-pilot while Jimmy's in charge.

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Posted by BP45 on 05/23/2017 at 10:16 AM

Re: “Mayor: Memphis Situation Different from New Orleans on Confederate Statues

How many times have people had a legal right to something, and then someone "oops!" and the law doesn't protect them?

How bad is the charge for destroying this monument?

Seems like someone could just "oops!" and drive a cement truck over it, problem solved.

Why can't we just tie a chain around this abominable monument to a history that never happened (you don't put up statues to people who lose) and drag it down the Trail of Tears, over the bridge, and then dump in in the river.

Seems like a fitting end to the perpetrator of the Ft. Pillow Massacre.

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Posted by FUNKbrs on 05/23/2017 at 9:52 AM

Re: “Mayor: Memphis Situation Different from New Orleans on Confederate Statues

Yes, the TN Legislature is acting much like the Council of People's Commissars by setting up a special commissariat for monuments (Tennessee Historical Commission). This type of centralized planning is what our movement was all about.

Furthermore, freedom is precious, so precious that it must be rationed by the State (TN). In this case, the will of the local people (vote by the city council) must be ignored for the collective good.

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Posted by still living in berclair on 05/23/2017 at 9:41 AM

Re: “The White League

Mia,

As ridiculous as it may seem to you, just because you want to talk about white supremacy doesn't mean that we have to stick to that subject. In fact, both the article and the discussion in the thread following talk about both white supremacy, cultural heritage, hate, slavery, and a variety of other things.

Actually only one can lead. In the modern period, this is considered to be Lithuania in 1588.

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Posted by Bric-a-Brac on 05/23/2017 at 9:39 AM

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