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Re: “Confederate Heritage Groups Vow to Fight Park Name Changes

crackoamerican,

You can do better?

Posted by James L. Shirley Jr. on 05/01/2015 at 10:14 PM

Re: “Confederate Heritage Groups Vow to Fight Park Name Changes

@ tartuffe
((The Confederacy equals the KKK equals terrorism. The tragic history of Memphis includes that it was, at one time, known as the lynching capital of the whole country. The Old Jim Crow era and the New Jim Crow era need to be seriously challenged. Let's stop glorifying the longest lasting legacy of the Confederacy - RACISM!))

What a pack of outright lies!!

First of all, had the illegal, unConstitutional, hatefull, vengefull acrimonious legislation humourously, sarcastically referred to as "the reconstruction acts" NOT been enacted, there never would have been a kkk. THAT organisation and what it did in the late 1860's to the early 1870's can be laid on the feet of the Republican party along with the hatefull abolitionists, whose HATE for the South FAR outweighed any sympathy or mercy they held for the lowly Negro. This holds true as well as for the later incarnations of the kkk.
However, given what was forced upon the South then, they did what they had to do because, under military occupation, Southern men and women had no rights at all. NONE.

Second, this whole canard about ""racism"" as though it was THE worst thing one could be accused of. I would choose that over the accusations of being a child molestor, a murderer, a rapist, a thief, a woman beater, a homosexual, a fawning flatterer, etc.
But, be that as it be that, Black people were not welcomed anywhere in this country, certainly not in the bastion of yankeeism, New England. Not on those countries north of the Ohio River. And, FYI, all those sovereign States had antebellum Jim Crow laws, and continued well into the 20th century.

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Posted by James L. Shirley Jr. on 11/01/2014 at 1:28 PM

Re: “Confederate Heritage Groups Vow to Fight Park Name Changes

@ Arlington Pop,

((Not that simple. If Lincoln, Grant, and Sherman had decided to shoot every one of the surrendered Confederates, or put them in prison, they would not have had a chance to go home and be good citizens, now would they? That would have torn the country apart.))
You cant be serious even offering this as a possibility. What, summarily execute many tens of thousands of men who had gained the respect and admiration of even many of the yankee high command as well as the rest of the world? Besides cold blooded murder, it would be an abomination which, as you said would absolutely have torn the country apart, because at that point, many yankee States would have seceded and joined the South in the fight anew.


((But to blame the conditions at Andersonville on the Union for not effecting an exchange of prisoners is ludicrous. Once the Confederacy had them, they were bound to take care of them regardless of what the Union did or did not do.))
You skipped over this part of my post - "The Confederate government had tried for months in vain to get the US government to exchange these men in the camp as they simply could not take proper care of them. Remember, the US Navy was blockading the Confederate States, medicines had been declared contraband by the US and the Confederate soldier was receiving starvation rations and the civilians werent doing much better." Bound by laws of nations and conscience, they were. But the reality was, just as I stated here again. Moreover, permit me to use the words of one yankee POW, Edward Wellington Boate, who was there, to convict the lincoln regime:
"Since I returned to the North, Winder's words were confirmed, for it was semi-officially stated to me that, 'It might look very hard that we refused to exchange; but we could not afford to do so. We would have to give a number of strong, well fed, available soldiers for a number of men broken down from campaigning, disease, and out of the service by the expiration of their terms."
"A policy like this is the quintessence of inhumanity, a disgrace to the administration which carried it out, a blot upon the country. You rulers who make the charge that the rebels intentionally killed off our men, when I can honestly swear they were doing everything in their power to sustain us, do not lay this flattering unction to your souls. You abandoned your brave men in their hour of their cruelest need. They fought for the Union, and you reached out no hand to save the old faithful, loyal, and devoted servants of the country. You may try and shift the blame from your own shoulders, but posterity will saddle the responsibility where it justly belongs."

((Now if you want to make a more salient point, that Federal prisons were just as bad as Andersonville, but nobody on the Union side was ever punished, you are on solid ground.))
OH, Big Tyme!! They were worst if only because there was no war being raged in their country, no interruptions of foods and supplies. They had an abundance of foods and clothes by which to care for the poor Confederate soldier. That they deliberately with held these things so they should die of starvation convicts the United States government of "crimes against humanity", cold blooded murder.

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Posted by James L. Shirley Jr. on 10/23/2014 at 11:47 PM

Re: “Confederate Heritage Groups Vow to Fight Park Name Changes

@ Arlington Pop -


((jr was dead right that only in the US could we see such a rebellion be put down, at such cost in men and treasure, to be followed by such magnanimity.))
First of all, as Dwight Eisenhower acknowledged, one thing that divided this country from its foundation was "just what defined it?" He acknowledged men of honour, integrity, principle had an honest disagreement.
Check some of the writings in the antebellum tymes if/when they wrote about these United States. Oftentymes, it was referred to as "our Confederacy" for dont forget, this country was first a Confederacy under the original "Constitution".


((Only one Confederate was hanged to my knowledge, and that was Major Wirtz, the commandant at Andersonvile Prison, and he deserved it.))
He ABSOLUTELY did not deserve this. First of all, he was second in command, a General John H. Winder, who had died in February of 65, was the commanding general over the camp. A close second, he was paroled which so long as he abided those terms, he should have been untouchable. The US government violated their own terms in arresting him, trying him, convicting him, hanging him. And as an aside, Andersonville is the name of the nearby town. Camp Sumter was the name of the POW camp. The Confederate government had tried for months in vain to get the US government to exchange these men in the camp as they simply could not take proper care of them. Remember, the US Navy was blockading the Confederate States, medicines had been declared contraband by the US and the Confederate soldier was receiving starvation rations and the civilians werent doing much better. And the US government refused the offer. They were lastly offered to just take them off the hands of Camp Sumter free of charge, in the name of mercy and again, the US government refused. The blood of those men who died there is on lincoln. Lastly, Wirtz was convicted largely on the testimony of a man later determined to be a liar, as he was never there. P.S. The trial was a sham. One of those "lets give him a trial then hang him" kind of trials. All y'all aughten to research through this website. If ye be open minded, ye would. http://www.csa-dixie.com/csa/prisoners/index.htm

((I have always thought that leaders on both sides behaved magnificently in April, 1865, to the salvation of the country. Lee chose to surrender rather than let his men degererate in partisan guerilla bands that would have savaged the country. Forrest had a choice of doing the same and chose surrender after Lee's example, perhaps Forrest's finest hour. Other Confederate generals did the same. On the Union side, Lincoln instructed his generals to "let 'em up easy" and so they did. Nothing Grant or Sherman ever did was more important than the surrender terms they imposed when the Confederate armies were at their mercy. Lincoln, Grant, and Sherman literally saved the United States from what could have been utter chaos.))
FAIL yet again. It was the words of Lee, Forrest, Johnston who saved the country from chaos and guerrilla war. It was they, whom their men not just honoured and respected because of their rank, but the men loved those three generals. The generals told their men to go home, be good citisens, and they did. Simple as that.

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Posted by James L. Shirley Jr. on 10/23/2014 at 8:45 PM

Re: “Confederate Heritage Groups Vow to Fight Park Name Changes

"That would be the same as celebrating, memorializing or providing credibility to Hitler's holocaust against the Jews. But then some of you probably think that's okay, too."

This is such a crock of shyte. There is zero semblance between the two governments - Nazi era Germany and the Confederate States of America. On the contrary, given the genocide committed against the Indians of all sorts, starting with the year 1789 when the current Constitution began, a comparison betwixt the USA and Nazi Germany would be called for.
For one thing, Nazi governing was all about central control, the very opposite of the CSA. For another, Jefferson Davis' beneficent attitude towards the Black race is well documented. Whereas Hitler's antipathy and hatred of the Jews is also well documented.
In short, stop with the hate, and if posting on these kinds of places, at least be willing to research the opposite of what you believe to search for truth.

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Posted by James L. Shirley Jr. on 10/23/2014 at 12:31 PM
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