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Re: “Loaded Questions

Gadfly, I believe Tom Givens makes it rather clear why he supports this bill. This bill will do nothing to increase his business.

With the certifications and knowledge Mr. Givens has he could be making tons of money off fat government training contracts. Tom chooses to do these from time to time but overall he is focused on making sure he can reach out to the average citizen and help them develop what may truly be a necessary skill here in Memphis.

I really think most people are missing the point behind all of this. The people that are going to be carrying guns in bars are already doing it. The average permit holder wants the ability to leave his gun on while he eats without breaking the law or donating another gun to a criminal.

Chris, this was a great article. The one previous about your experience obtaining a permit was also good. Much better than Bruce W's. It's a shame he never took the time to look at both sides.

Posted by Sheepdog on 05/29/2009 at 2:47 PM

Re: “Letter from the Editor

Phlo, that is exactly my point, the wolves already break the laws. No law would have stopped Chris Jones. Chris Jones shot an innocent bystander and wounded a kid half his age over something really stupid. To my knowledge he also instigated the whole thing by repeatedly hitting on a girl half his age in front of her boyfriend. Almost everyone knows someone who was there and watched it happen. I don't and admittedly only have pieces of info I remember reading off a blog someone wrote that was supposedly there when it all went down.

I don't know Chris Jones or his full situation but being stressed, angry, humiliated by your ex-wife, etc. are all poor reasons to shoot anyone. It sounds like you are making excuses for the stupid SOB that caused the problem in the first place. I don't direct that solely at you by really everyone out there. We need to stop making excuses for the horrible actions of others or even trying to make sense of them. There is a reason it is referred to as senseless violence.

Let me make it clear that I am also not advocating that another person with a gun, especially someone drinking, should have stepped in during that situation. Legally, I believe they would have been justified in doing so and protected under the current law of competing harms but it is not their place to act in that capacity. Personally, if I was there and not taking incoming rounds, I would have been doing everything I could to get me and mine far away.

I admire the efforts of the DJ, and maybe he felt as an employee or decent person that he had to do something but in the end, it cost him his life. Now there is one more child out there without his dad and we are more concerned about the stressors Chris Jones was dealing with. F him and feed him fish heads.

When it comes down to it who is truly responsible for the safety of you and your family? I believe you are. You are also responsible for your own actions and should be held accountable for them.

This may be the best time to introduce this law. I still believe an armed society is a polite society. More guns equal less crime. The statistics are there. You can even find the statistics on the Brady Campaign Website. Just in case you don’t know the Brady Campaign really thinks guns are bad, bad, bad. Violent crime is down lower than it has been since 1991 and gun sales, as well as permit applications, have been seriously on the rise.

I am sure there will be some shootings that will take place in bars, restaurants and parks rather quickly after the law is signed. These will no doubt fire up new arguments. What should be evaluated is if in the incidents the permit holder was justified in using deadly force, not where the incident took place. I guess only time will tell.

Posted by Sheepdog on 05/20/2009 at 4:32 PM

Re: “Letter from the Editor

Phlo, Let me give you the full quote:

An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
Robert A. Heinlein

An armed society is a polite society. The problem here is that we are not an armed society. Few people have the ability to defend themselves which is why we have so many murders and aggravated assaults each year. Most people are sheep and they are preyed upon by the wolves.

I do not believe this legislation will provide us with a huge decrease in crime. I don't believe y'all need to worry about drunken shootouts either. Really, the only thing this law does is remove the misdemeanor charge and consequences to doing something people already do. Everyday when I leave the house, I have a gun, couple of spare magazines, a can of pepper spray and two knives on my person. I fully conceal all of this with a tucked short sleeve polo and dress pants from the time I leave the house until I arrive home each night. At lunch I can be found in many of the great restaurants in Midtown, most of these are serving alcohol, and there I am with my big scary gun eating a Huey Burger. For that brief hour when I sit and eat under the law as it is now I am criminal. The point is, we are already there, sitting at the table next to yours. Regardless of if this is signed into law we will still be there.

I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. Robert A. Heinlein

Posted by Sheepdog on 05/17/2009 at 11:21 AM

Re: “Letter from the Editor

Bruce, do you get dressed on your own each morning or does someone help you? Why do you feel the need for so much oversight over people? Whe you meet someone new do you try and look them up to see if they have a handgun permit?

As a firearms instructor I can promise you that the majority of permit holders are safer than off-duty police with thier firearms and the safe off-duty officers are only safe because they took the time to get instruction from what typically ends up being a civilian school like Rangemaster or RangeUSA. Most cops treat thier weapons like you do your stapler. Its just another peice of equipment they need for thier job. Every round of qualifications that MPD goes through I pick up at least 10 cops that need help in order to pass and keep the job. I am sure that you don't have any problem with them carrying a gun. Did you know they are more likely to involve themselves in a bad situation off-duty because of the job they live day to day?

On the other hand, the majority of civilians that carry and have thier permits practice regularly. They take additional training and want to improve thier skill and be able to defend themselves. Very few want to be heroes and fewer still ever want to use thier gun outside of the range.

We live in a place where there are roughly 150 murders a year. There are also around 7,000 aggravated assults and 400 reported rapes. That is REPORTED rapes, the FBI estimates that 1 in 3 rapes are reported and victims groups estimate that 1 in 6 are reported. Either way it is much closer to 1,000 than 400. Aggravated assult is also just a nicer way to say attempted murder. I almost forgot, you have better than a 50% chance of dealing with more than one attacker here in Memphis. Crime in Germantown, Collierville, Cordova, Bartlett and Southaven is not much better and it's getting worse. Criminals are smarter, they have transportation, and they are learning where to go to get the good stuff. Statiscally, you are twice as likely to be a victim of violent crime here in Memphis than you are in L.A. or New York.

Some of these crimes do happen in the victims home. Many more happen outside of the home which is why people should carry.

An armed society is a polite society.

Posted by Sheepdog on 05/16/2009 at 1:44 PM


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