On the day after the draft, the Grizzlies' team talking points seemed to be broadcasting the need for a "back-up point guard" and down-playing the still-gaping hole at power forward. But, despite some mixed-messages recently regarding the prospect of tapping significantly into the team's considerable cap room this summer, there have been indications that the Grizzlies recognize the need and may well be willing to do something about it: The team pursued a trade with the Clippers for Zach Randolph that the Clippers mysteriously turned down, and also made a play for Miami's Michael Beasley. The Randolph deal, which would have added an additional $20 million to the team's payroll over the next two seasons, makes it clear that the team will be willing to spend under what it considers the right circumstances.
So assuming that the Grizzlies are going to attempt to bring in a new starter at the four, who are the likely candidates?
I did a mammoth post before the draft that listed 20 potential contenders, but now that list can be narrowed considerably.
For starters, I think we can safely take away the top four names on my initial list: Blake Griffin, Amare Stoudamire, Al Horford, and Michael Beasley. The Grizzlies took a swing at Griffin and Beasley on draft day and couldn't get it done. Stoudamire could be headed to Golden State and would be unlikely to agree to an extension here as part of any deal. Horford was always a serious longshot based on the chance of the point-guard starved Hawks falling for Ricky Rubio, something that didn't happen. Emeka Okafor (sixth on the list) is also now a longshot: According to the Commercial Appeal, the Bobcats offered him up for the #2 pick, which the Grizzlies were correct to turn down. The defensive-oriented Okafor is still probably obtainable, but makes a lot less sense in a frontcourt that will now prominently feature the similar but younger and bigger Hasheem Thabeet.
Moving down the list, three other Top Ten contenders were likely obtainable only via draft-day deals that never materialized: Kevin Love, Jason Thompson, and Al Jefferson. And one other lower-level name, rookie Jordan Hill, was on the list as a potential draft target had the team traded down.
What's left? I wouldn't completely rule out the top player left on that initial list, Carlos Boozer (5th). Boozer seems likely to change teams this summer and I'd heard rumblings a few weeks ago that he (or his agent) might talk to the Grizzlies, but more recent signals suggest a Boozer-Grizzlies marriage is unlikely.
As the offseason begins, I think there are now three power forwards most likely to be targeted by the Grizzlies. Let's take them in order of likelihood:
1. David Lee
I had Lee 12th on my initial list. While I don't know for certain that the Grizzlies are going to make a run at Lee this summer, I strongly suspect it. As a 26-year-old rebounding machine who just thrived in an uptempo system in New York and would presumably play well (though not perfectly) alongside either Marc Gasol or Hasheem Thabeet, Lee fits the need. Consider some of the other evidence:
Established Interest: It was reported last summer that the Grizzlies discussed a deal with the Knicks involving Brian Cardinal and the #5 pick for Lee, so the team has a demonstrated interest in Lee.
Enhanced Availability: Lee is a restricted free agent this summer and one of the things that has long made him seem more obtainable than other restricted targets (such as Utah's Paul Millsap) is the Knicks' desire to maximize cap space in 2010. Compounding this notion is the early playoff exit and short-term feasibility of the Cleveland Cavaliers, which seems to make a Lebron James signing in 2010 more possible for the Knicks. And now, after draft night, the Knicks have added Darko Milicic and, more prominently, Jordan Hill to their frontcourt. These moves by the Knicks seem to be preparing for Lee's exit this summer.
The Bartelstein Connection: David Lee's agent? Mark Bartelstein. Also on Bartelstein's client list? DeMarre Carroll. Now, I'm not saying there was a promise made to Carroll. But giving a Bartelstein client who could very well have slipped into the second round guaranteed first-round money certainly won't hurt the team's relationship with the agent heading into a potential run at Lee. And these kinds of considerations inform draft picks (and other transactions) more than is apparent on the surface or generally reported. Another Bartelstein client: Antoine Walker, who the Grizzlies did right by with a buyout last season.
2. Zach Randolph
I didn't have Randolph on my initial list because I don't like him: He's a high-level scorer and rebounder but is a black hole that doesn't defend. But that's not even the main thing. He appears to be a character problem that goes far beyond your average NBA knucklehead; not the guy I want in the locker room of my young team. All three teams that have featured Randoph have lost big and have been desperate to get rid of him despite his consistent 20-10 production. That ought to tell you something.
That said, this post is not about what the Grizzlies should do but what they might do, and there's certainly good reason to believe they might make another run at Randolph. The Grizzlies discussed a deal with the Knicks a year ago that would have sent Marko Jaric and Darko Milicic for Randolph. And on draft night they had a deal in place that would have sent Jaric and Greg Buckner for Randolph only to have the Clippers decline. It's certainly possible the Clippers come to their senses and try to get those discussions going again.
3. Charlie Villanueva
On the plus side, Villanueva (19th on the initial list) might be the one candidate who became a more likely target when the team drafted Thabeet. Villanueva is a long, active scorer who thrives on the perimeter and in the open court. He needs to be paired with a big-time rebounder and shot-blocker to really make sense as a starting four, and the Grizzlies think they got that on draft night.
On the downside, the combination of Milwaukee's cap-clearing draft-week deal of Richard Jefferson and its drafting of a point guard in Brandon Jennings makes it likely that Villanueva, more than guard Ramon Sessions, will be the restricted free agent the Bucks will try to keep, perhaps making Villanueva a more expensive option than he might otherwise have been.
I have no specific information about the Grizzlies being interested in Villanueva, but I'm putting him here because of a series of factors: He's an intriguing fit with Thabeet. He played college ball with Rudy Gay. Lionel Hollins coached him as an assistant in Milwaukee. And on the multiple occasions that I've brought his name up with Grizzlies insiders, he's never been dismissed as a possibility.
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I'm glad your number one in likelihood is my number one, period. Lee is very efficient with his game shooting over 55% from the field. I would be thrilled to head into this season with him as our starting 4.
Oh, and was I the only one who thought it odd the way in which Hollins hijacked the question of what else needs to be done in the offseason? It happened in the draft pick press conference. The question was addressed to Wallace or Heisley but from the other end of the table came Hollins. He tried being sarcastic about acquiring Shaq almost as if to say I'm sick of hearing what else needs to be done.
I'm still amazed we hired a coach for 1.5 seasons!
I tend to think Okafor still makes sense for the Grizz. He could shift over to the 5 when Thabeet is out of the game and provide a continued defensive presence. In addition, Thabeet is not an elite rebounder, so Okafor's toughness on the boards would be useful.
Although the starting lineup would lack scoring punch, this would be somewhat mitigated by keeping Warrick and giving him significant minutes whenever either Okafor or Thabeet is out of the game. I think that would be a pretty good three man rotation.
Of course, I have no idea how Gasol would fit in, but I haven't ever had a good sense of how Gasol and Thabeet would work together.
Another great post, Chris. Thanks for this timely article. David Lee is a guy that Memphians would love. Charlie Villanueva is an interesting possibility.
So we pay lee 10m/ year for 4 years, and roll into next year with a 58m payroll after we buy out buckner.
Conley, mayo, gay, lee, gasol.
Thabeet, carrol, young, Arthur, QRich off the bench. Carroll will steal minutes from Arthur
Chris - what about AK47. He's a slightly older Josh Smith type that could likely be had at a reasonable price. I'd expect he could regain form an produce at close to the level he was at prior to Boozer's arrival in Utah. If you could package Jaric, Buckner and DA together...
He'd definitely fit the defensive shift of the team.
would we be able to lock OJ up long-term? What about Gasol? Gay and Conley I see as more expendable pieces down the line, as OJ moves over to play more point ... So, at that point, we'd be in line for three big contracts ... OJ, Marc and David Lee ... with Thabeet (if he merits it - here's praying he does) a couple of years behind him. Don't see how we could keep Conley, OJ, Gay, Lee, Gasol and Thabeet together for the long-term, unless we were willing to spend a whole, whole lot of money.
Maybe I'm thinkin' way too far ahead.
@ MattH
Check your math again... The Grizz's cap number should be about $54 million, if you offer a FA contract starting at $10 mil. Are you including Warrick's Qualifying Offer??? I'm not sure you will see Warrick in a Grizz uniform unless the deal is 2-3mil/year...
Chris, I love your column, you do an excellent job.
I know it's way too early to speculate but, do you get the sense that the Griz are prepared to go into next year with an Arthur/Warrick/Carroll/Gasol/Gay combination at the 4 and just take their chances in the 2010 draft?
I believe the one guy that fits the Griz perfectly is Chris Bosh. A package of Bosh, KHumphries, MBanks for a combination of 2010 1, Lakers' 1, SYoung, MGasol.
But with Bosh, like Stoudemire, you run the risk of him being here for just one season. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that, if the Griz vastly improve this year, Bosh would sign as a free agent. It can be argued that Memphis has more pieces in place - and upside - more than Toronto has at this point.
Also, what have you heard on Quentin Richardson? Is he exercising his ETO/Player Option? I think he can come in here and just have the mindset of scoring big off the bench. He might not like getting into this kind of situation though.
Lastly, I've read in the Griz board that the FO might be looking for a backup PG, preferably a veteran not named Marko Jaric. What are the Griz' options here? I personally think a hybrid 1/2 would be ideal to come off the bench and provide more scoring. Luther Head or Damon Jones could be had cheaply. More so Head, who is younger (26) and wouldn't mind playing for the Griz.
Joseph:
1. Well, the point of this post is that I think they'll try to go after an upgrade at the four position this summer. The attempt to trade for Beasley and the deal for Randolph the Clippers backed out of suggests that. But I wouldn't be shocked if they came up short and stood pat either.
2. I think Bosh would be great for the Grizzlies and I think the Griz have the pieces to put together a very good package for him. BUT I don't think that would happen without Bosh agreeing to a contract extension. With the prospect of teams like the Knicks and Heat having max money to throw at Bosh next summer, I'm guessing he wouldn't commit the the Grizzlies. Not a realistic scenario.
3. I can't imagine Richardson not taking his $9 million-plus option for this year. So not plausible it hadn't even occurred to me.
4. My next post -- hopefully sometime tonight -- will be breaking down some of the illustrious candidates for the back-up guard position the team has made clear they plan to fill this summer. So look for that a little bit later.
Excellent point on Bosh and Richardson, Chris. Richardson can both earn his $9 million and increase his value for next offseason - questionable, but possible. It's a win for both sides if he does indeed becomes a threat off the bench.
I guess however way you look at it, Bosh has the potential to maximize his earnings by going to a bigger market. Not too mention the prospect of playing with another elite superstar.
David Lee it is. He's looking more and more perfect for this team. I have a feeling that the Knicks resign him though simply because he's the kind of player that wouldn't mind and would succeed playing with a superstar. What price do you think is both fair value for him AND would discourage the Knicks from matching the offer?
It would be sweet if we could get D lee, i always liked his game and think he would be a perfect fit.
hehe backup PG... two words
Ramon Sessions.
He would slide in and take over the starting job though lol
Potential suckage: The money we saved the Knicks goes to resign David Lee, and (for the price of "cash considerations") we fail to get our 4.
The extra 1-2m that the Knicks saved will not help them sign David Lee. They're worried about their cap next year, not this year.
We're at 36m. Somewhere around 6m for our 3 picks, that puts us at 42m. We frontload the contract to 11m this year, we're at 53m, with 12 roster spots filled. I guess my math was off. We could buy out buckner and bring that down under 50, if we wanted.
The Bucks did not give Villanueva a qualifying offer. Go after him we need someone who can score.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/49448…
They were talking about Villanueva on the CV show as if he was an allstar. Oh, the versatile 4's are in vogue right now, he can do everything. Then Roser looked up his stats.
46% from the field, 34% from 3. 6rpg. Few blocks and steals. I mean, if we could get him for MLE money that would be fine, bc he's more athletic than our other frontcourt options, but I'd rather see us frontload an offer to david lee for 4 yr, $40m.
I'm not pushing for Villanueva, but put his numbers into context of about 26 minutes per game, which makes his 16 point scoring average extremely impressive. He's not a great rebounder, but was slightly better (14.7 rebound rate to 14.5) than Darrell Arthur last year and much better than Warrick.
If the debate is Villanueva vs. Millsap vs. Lee, Millsap gives you the best mix of scoring and rebounding, but really needs to be in more of a halfcourt system and may be the most expensive.
If it's Lee vs. Villanueva you have two players who both fit well in an uptempo system but are otherwise very different: A big-time rebounder with limited offense (Lee) vs. a big-time scoring threat with mediocre rebounding (Villanueva).
I honestly think you need a limited scorer at the 4 with high rebounds and energy and bruiser ability on this incarnation of the Grizzlies. David Lee is probably the man there. Though I imagine you have to overpay for him 11-12mil a year. I don't know if he is worth that.
With that said, Amare all day long lol. No matter the need you design the team around him and OJ (given Amare signs an extension of course)
I didn't think you were necessarily pimping villanueva, I just want to fight the villanueva momentum so that we don't sign him to a 5 yr. $38m contract that everyone exclaims that we've found the missing link. I mean, the freaking bucks are letting him walk, bc they know someone is gonna overpay him this summer. I'm just hoping that someone is not the grizz. I feel like hes worth 6.5m a year or less. Anything more and it's too much.
I would think that we should offer a large contract to Boozer in hopes he opts for free agency. He is by far the best PF out on the market, assuming he opts out. Pair him with what we have, and we are talking playoffs. I can get excited about that.
Well in the latest CBSsports.com article... sounds like we may find out very soon that Lee will be either with the Grizzlies or the Thunder. My guess would be the Grizzlies, because the Grizz have a better pair of centers for Lee to play next to.
I also think Lee is exactly the type of player that Heisley is willing to overpay for.
article: http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/1…
Chris,
Any insight or words through the grapvine going into tonight???
What about Von Wafer for the back up pg? Probably can be had cheap, would get solid production, he's young, and probably wouldnt mind playing backup so long as he's getting decent minutes. Also I havent heard Lamar Odom's name come up for PF. The man can do anything asked of him.
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